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      Sota Bio Tuner

      Has anyone here experimented with this device? It seems that lucid dreaming is frequently associated with it... although often as a reported "side effect" !

      For legal reasons the company that makes it isn't allowed to say what effects one might expect from each of the six different settings. So although I now have the device, I'm not sure which setting is most likely to promote lucidity. Anyone have any insights?

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      Interesting, keep us updated on your findings

      I haven't heard of this device before

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      Quote Originally Posted by Astrius View Post
      Has anyone here experimented with this device? It seems that lucid dreaming is frequently associated with it... although often as a reported "side effect" !

      For legal reasons the company that makes it isn't allowed to say what effects one might expect from each of the six different settings. So although I now have the device, I'm not sure which setting is most likely to promote lucidity. Anyone have any insights?

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      This is interesting.. I've never heard of this device either.

      It's strange that for "legal" reasons they can't tell you what effects the settings have. Why would you sell something if you can't say what it does?

      Where did you read that a "side effect" is lucid dreaming.. I couldn't find that on the website you gave.

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      Some sites that sell the device do actually mention lucid dreaming as a positive benefit. However, as I was researching the product, I also read several articles that spoke of it as a side effect. For example:

      "The most troublesome side effect that has been noted almost universally is that it stimulates lucid dreaming. Some people who have been shut off from their dreams are a little alarmed, at first."

      And in another article:


      "Users of the BT-5 have reported startling memory transformations. A woman of Dr. Beck’s acquaintances suffered a spinal block 25 years ago and was unable to recall phone numbers or addresses. After using the BT-5 for a single day she remembered phone numbers from even 20 years earlier. Dr. Beck claims amazing things for the memory. 'They’re just there. It also a specific for stress reduction, anxiety, depression, insomnia.'

      There appears to be an overdose plateau: Forty minutes realizes good results, forty-five won’t do damage, but it undoes the benefits.

      An interesting side effect of the BT-5 pertains to lucid dreaming. Memories of dreams can be vivid and persistent. This could be an ideal device for dream researchers."

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      Looks very interesting I wonder if testimonials for this are true or if they are simply fabricated. If this device actually works that would simply be awesome. Every bit helps especially if this helps as much as it "appears" to.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Heat View Post
      Looks very interesting I wonder if testimonials for this are true or if they are simply fabricated. If this device actually works that would simply be awesome. Every bit helps especially if this helps as much as it "appears" to.
      Well it certainly does something. I tried it on Mode 4 and it lit-up my mind like a Xmas tree (that's the only way I can describe it). I went to bed that night and was still awake 6 hours later! I've since learned, however (from the information below) that Modes 3 and 6 may be better for lucid dreaming purposes. But this is just a guess.

      INFO...

      Settings 2 & 3 and 5 & 6 may be more relaxing, whereas the 111 Hz. may be more energizing. Settings 2 and 5 represent the DELTA brainwave frequency, normally associated with deep sleep and release of deeply embedded stress patterns. The 7.83 setting ( no. 3 and 6 ) represents the middle ALPHA brainwave frequency and is associated with a relaxed, but very focused mental state.

      Also, creativity, superlearning, memory improvement, intuitive insights and more. BT-7 may be used any time of day. It is important to use the BT-7 each day for 2 to 3 weeks in order to achieve the maximum benefits.

      There is no need to repeat the entire 2 to 3 weeks if you happen to skip a day or two. Following the initial series of sessions, BT-7 may be used on occasion as desired to maintain the initial improvements. For example, memory improvements may last up to 1 year before additional sessions are necessary.

      Other gains may be more temporary and require more frequent reinforcement. Individual results will vary.

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      Hmm.. I may purchase this sometime. If the woman did memorize phone numbers from 20 years earlier.. then I may definitely purchase this.

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      Wait, what? What does this thing do? How do you use it, etc?

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      From SharingHealth:

      We are recommending yet another of Bob Beck’s electronic devices. For information about Bob Beck and his research see Researchers to Know section.

      The original Beck Brain Tuners, the BT5 and BT6, were available from 1983 until early in 2000. Starting early in 2000, with Bob Beck’s licensing, SOTA Instruments Inc. stepped in to continue to make Beck’s units available. With an improved design, the unit has been renamed to that of Bio–Tuner.

      As a Cranial Electro Stimulation (CES) device, research on Beck’s Brain Tuner is referred to in two recently published books: MegaBrain Power by Michael Hutchison and SuperLearning 2000 by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder.

      Over the years, suppliers of Beck’s Brain Tuners apparently received feedback from individuals who found the units were instrumental in helping them overcome addictions, insomnia, depression, learning disorders and pain. Unfortunately, no company was dedicated to formally recording or collecting these testimonials. SOTA Instruments Inc. is now asking customers to report on their use of Beck’s Bio–Tuner.

      Bob Beck’s 1983 lecture on Cranial Electro Stimulation (CES) and his Brain Tuner is reported in The Beck Protocol Handbook. This handbook package provides all the information needed to use the Bio-Tuner. See Electrifying Books & Videos section.

      Introduction to the Beck Protocol:
      http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...23462993133294

      How to Use the Beck Protocol:
      http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...94760973110305
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      Interesting post. I don't own this particular device, though I've been experimenting with CES for lucid dream induction for about two years now. I actually have some very interesting results and my research continues.

      So I ask a simple question. If a CES device was constructed that had lucid dream induction capabilites on par with Galantamine, what do you all think about your personal interest in such a device? Does the notion of passing a light AC current from ear to ear freak people out, or would you be open minded about?

      What price point would you expect to pay for such a device? Bear in mind that Galantamine costs about 1-2 dollars per dose. If and when Laberges patent issues, he's obviously going to pursue licensing fees to market G as a lucid dream supplement which will drive up costs.

      Astrius, in your particular case did you have any noticable effect on dream recall or lucidity? For the record, the signal properties I've honed in on for lucid dream induction are quite different than what the BT7 device does. There happens to be tons of CES research on the web if you know where to look, FYI. I can PM people if anyone is interested.
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      Hello DrT. What machine have you been using and what settings have you found most conducive to lucid dreaming? I had originally considered buying the CESta, but ultimately decided on the cheaper BT-7 to begin with.

      I would personally much rather use one of these devices over Galantamine because...

      1. Galantamine supplements contain Magnesium Stearate (as do most supplements), which is a nasty additive that my body can do without.

      2. Galantamine should only be used occasionally, which is no good for those who want to lucid dream every night.

      3. CES devices seem to offer many other benefits.

      4. Once you own such a device, it should last for many years.

      As regards the price, I suppose it depends on effectiveness. For something that could guarantee lucidity in all people, I would be willing to pay as much as I could afford. Certainly, hundreds of dollars (or more) would not be unreasonable. A device that only claimed to "help promote lucidity," however, would obviously not be worth as much (although I'd still probably want to buy it). It seems that one of the issues with CES is that "individual results vary." This is the response I got from Sota about which BT-7 mode is most suitable for lucid dreaming.

      There are so many things that can affect one's dreaming that experimenting with various frequencies can be a long and frustrating task (as you may have discovered). In my own experience with the BT-7, I am currently finding that Mode 5 may elicit longer and more memorable dreams. I've not had any lucidity yet, but I'm hoping that will come after the recommended 30 days or so of continued use.

      Feel free to PM with any info you think I'd find useful.
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      Here's my first documented dream since using the BT-7.

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      So, please let us know if you really think this device works. I'm considering getting one for lucid dreaming and other purposes with meditation and whatnot.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Astrius View Post
      Here's my first documented dream since using the BT-7.


      Hi everyone, im new to this website. okay so I bought the biotuner, i believe it's BT7, almost a week ago. and it's been like 5 days since i used it, 2 x per day and no more.

      This morning I woke up at 7am to study for a test, then i ate some oatmeal and I did the 2 sessions, 40 minutes total. I was laying on my bed and I fell asleep.

      I had this realllly strange dream and it was so real. I was on a ship with water and high tides. I saw a tsunami that hit the ship. There was this one point in the dream when I went to my car in my parking lot and this police officer started to ask me how I was doing. Then after some chat, him and a bunch of his friends not in uniform were there. one of them asked me if my last name was... blah blah blah (don't want to tell u what name they said..) then I said no and found out that there was a ticket written for that name. Then i looked back near my car and at another location close to it... there was this family talking in the background, probably about the ticket... and then that's when I woke up and went to study. I slept around 8am and woke up at 10:30am if this helps.

      Currently I own the silver pulser and the biotuner. before...i bought some units on ebay and also from scada research but i wanted to try the units endorsed by bob beck.


      Oh yes, and I hope you all go and watch the documentary called "the beautiful truth"

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      Mine arrives on Tuesday, I'll post results

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      Ok, so I've been using the BT7 for a little less than a week now and I want to dispel some assumptions people reading this might be making (I sure did heh).

      1) Cranial-Electric-Stimulation does not induce a "trance" state when you're using it, the act of having the unit active on your body does not constitute an "action" because you don't have to do or feel anything, you just put it on your arm and go do chores or other things until it's time to take it off. I had it in my head that given the right circumstances I would be able to use this to quite literally induce a lucid dream. That is, obviously, not the case and I don't want people to buy a device on false assumptions.

      2) While it *does* stimulate dreams, that's not why you should buy it. You should buy it because it "fixes" some of the major chemical imbalances we as humans develop over the course of our lives, it stimulates the brain to regenerate itself and in doing so it repairs old pathways which repopulates your memory. That's why it works for more vivid dreams, your brain literally has a closer functionality to your brain when you were young.

      Since I've started using it with my wife every day for 20-40 minutes each she's had 2 major adjustments (within the first two days of starting) where her spinal bones snapped back into place after being out of place since her car accident like 3 years ago. It's no miracle device yet but she's sleeping better so it's all good thus far!

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      It didn't "fix" her spine. She's been in a couple car accidents over the last few years and with every one she's been in progressively more pain (radiating from her neck/right shoulder). After her first session with the BT7 literally as she was unclipping the ear things her neck audiably cracked 3 times fast and she said she could feel a part of her arm that she hadn't felt in a couple years. Now, it was pain in that part but it was an old pain so maybe that's good maybe that's bad. I suspect it is better pain than numb.

      The second time she used it as she was taking it off her jaw audibly cracked and she said her ear popped (she's had ear problems and hearing problems since she was young) and she could hear out of it for the first time in a couple years, additionally that she wasn't defaulting to clenched jaw and her jaw itself seemed to be operating perfectly when before it had popped a little bit.

      Her mood has improved, and she has commented on how she is sleeping noticably better and not waking up nearly as much.

      I have noticed I am barely remembering dreams, but even that is an improvement as my dream recall has been 0 for the last couple years (since I had some health problems start)

      I've read a TON of literature on the BT7 and the theory behind it and the history of the technology and it seems overwhelmingly that the real "wow" results happen after 3 weeks of use, so I guess time will tell.

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      Hello BlueRiot:

      I wanted to offer a few thoughts. First, I agree that this particular device would likely have no impact on "trance like states" or lucid dreamng.

      You need to understand the history here. CES has been studied and used since the 1950's or so. The main impetus was resolution of sleep disorders, anxiety and depression. The waveform usually used in these circumstances leveraged a bi-phasic signal with an envelope of 0.5 - 1 Hz (other research leveraged a 100 Hz waveform). This is very deep in the delta range of the brains electro chemical activity. As you said, there is a great deal of evidence that this signal can re-wire the brain and smooth responses in the alpha range over time.

      If you wanted to use CES for a trance like state, you would probably leverage a signal more in the theta range of about 4Hz.

      I personally have used CES for lucid dream induction many times and own a US patent app on the subject. The signal and usage protocol is unlike what you are doing here. I have a call for participation going on at my "other home" and people are welcome to contact me there if they are interested in trialing the technology.


      Edit:

      just double checked: Bio tuner is a 1000 Hz carrier, modulated by a 111 Hz signal with the potential to modify duty cycle and use the Shumann resonance as an additional amp modulation.
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      Hi DrTechnical,

      We actually agree, and it wasn't my intention to suggest that no CES device will induce trance, I just wanted to point out that the Biotuner 7 specifically is not designed with that capacity in mind. It does have the shumann frequency (setting 3 & 6) and a .5hz modulation availabile as well.

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      I also wanted to mention that I not only had one of the first dreams I can remember last night after a 4am WBTB successful WILD attempt. I used another LDS but have tried that regularly without luck before starting use of the BT7, now it started working.

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      I bought a BT7 unit and I have been using it for two days two times a day. So far what I can say is that you can feel it. Earlier today I put it on setting 2 and I felt my heart race for like 30 seconds! Yesterday I felt like I just stepped on to an elevator and got that wobbling or heaviness swept over me. I have noticed more clarity in my dreams; not like creepy clear but clear.

      I have noticed that my concentration is easier while laying down with these on. So it makes it much easier to WILD. I have also used it while surfing the net. This is when I felt the wave of heaviness or getting on an elevator wobble. Other than that I felt pretty normal.
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      I purchased the Bio Tuner from Sota instruments and believe me if you want lucid dreams, buy it. It's the reason why I'm on this site, to try and control my dreams because they are so vivid and I can remember so much. Before I started using this device I hadn't remembered my dreams for years and now I remember many dreams every night even the bad or uncomfortable ones. Maybe this is why they call it a side effect as some peoples dreams are not pleasurable. The Bio Tuner sends a Frequency to you brain stimulating the production of the chemicals needed for deep sleep therefore allowing for more lucid dreaming. The Bio-Tuner is used to help drug addicts and or alcoholics to stop using as it allows them to quit without experiencing severe withdrawals. Pete Townsend used it to conquer a severe heroin addiction along with many others. It also has been proven to make you smarter and more alert which I personally feel it also does. I actually find myself reading faster and remembering more. I have had no negative side effects and would recommend this product as well as other Sota Instruments products to anyone. For those who would doubt me, I am just an average working class guy with no reason to fabricate a story for this forum. The only reason I'm posting this is to tell other people how well this worked for me.
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      Quote Originally Posted by benandreas28 View Post
      I purchased the Bio Tuner from Sota instruments and believe me if you want lucid dreams, buy it. It's the reason why I'm on this site, to try and control my dreams because they are so vivid and I can remember so much. Before I started using this device I hadn't remembered my dreams for years and now I remember many dreams every night even the bad or uncomfortable ones. Maybe this is why they call it a side effect as some peoples dreams are not pleasurable. The Bio Tuner sends a Frequency to you brain stimulating the production of the chemicals needed for deep sleep therefore allowing for more lucid dreaming. The Bio-Tuner is used to help drug addicts and or alcoholics to stop using as it allows them to quit without experiencing severe withdrawals. Pete Townsend used it to conquer a severe heroin addiction along with many others. It also has been proven to make you smarter and more alert which I personally feel it also does. I actually find myself reading faster and remembering more. I have had no negative side effects and would recommend this product as well as other Sota Instruments products to anyone. For those who would doubt me, I am just an average working class guy with no reason to fabricate a story for this forum. The only reason I'm posting this is to tell other people how well this worked for me.
      So Benandreas28 sounds like an Advertisement for the Sota BT7 lol.. so I am considering buying one of these.. does anyone have any real results? Based on Dr Bob Beck's research and work, the device does work for many of the things mentioned on this forum. Has anyone else used this or any ces device?

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      For the record, I purchased this device, I will update this forum in 1-4 weeks with my results. I think this is worthy of discussion. Let me know if you guys are interested.

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