So are you atheist or Christian? While I am to atheism what deanstar is to Christianity, I find you calling yourself a Christian in even the most convoluted sense to be extremely intellectually dishonest. Honestly, your viewpoint would not bear out even in the most adventurous of interpretations of the bible and that is an achievement. |
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Last edited by DeviantThinker; 09-01-2014 at 01:20 AM.
*reported for 50 shades of grey fan fiction* |
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I'm sorry, but I fundamentally disagree with you. And no amount of retribution is gonna bring any deceased loved one back. |
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Taken from another thread: |
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Leader is a more appropriate term, especially since we're not giving him omnipotence and complete theocratic rule. Incidentally, this coming election is the first time I'll be able to vote, so your criticism holds no water there, either. |
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though your doubt is not based on factual stuff, cause the bible as litrature is most truthworthy litrature that is historically backed by historians and thousands of manuscripts, all the artifacts like noahs boat, ark of covenant, and geology of the global flood points to everything in the bible as true, and I mean it explains the evil in the world and it explains not only history but future. No other work of litrature has ever done this. We can be assured Jesus was real and that he lived the way witnessed. So I think you either havn't thought things through, you have been fooled, or that you are not willing to accept the reality of things. Bible is full of things like poetry, metaphors, history, prophecy, and then instruction too. It's not a particular format like a scientific paper, it doesn't logically go through evidence for God. It just says what God has done and what he will do, and his relationship to Man. That is conveyed through many different ways, not just through logic or evidence. |
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We'll have that particular debate at a different time in a different thread, Mr. Star. |
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Last edited by DeviantThinker; 09-01-2014 at 12:31 PM.
I hate religion, a lot. Despite what it could be it simply isn't what it is. But, to give at least the Abramhamic religions credit, the people that claim to be true believers are really not, quite like with everything else. Look at the feminist movement. The ultra radicals that are divisive, derisive, and flat out hateful and angry claim to be the real feminists, while completely bring shame to and tarnishing the movement they have hijacked's true beginnings and goals. The Abrahamic religions may include a few of the archaic rituals in it that used to be common place during the time of their conception, but true Christians, Catholics, and Muslims do not believe in the same ideals or conduct themselves anything like the fundamentalist and radicals do, just like in the feminist movement. It corrupts absolutely and turns everything that these religions truly believe in into a stinking cesspit, spreading its mold and filth as far and wide as it possibly can. True believers want the same thing that the moral gnostics and atheists want. They want to live in peace with their neighbors in a word free from evil, where they can trust and love their neighbors, have happy lives and experience the joys and trials of raising children in a world otherwise dominated completely by sin and immoral socialites with self-promoting agendas. There are just as many of these fundamentalist and immoral atheists and agnostics as their are their theistic counterparts. In fact, there are more because religion is beginning to die out. |
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Last edited by snoop; 09-01-2014 at 04:21 PM.
You know little of Gnostic Christianity it seems. That is not a slight as we are an emerging religion and few know what we are about. |
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Last edited by anderj101; 09-02-2014 at 02:22 AM. Reason: Merged 4 posts.
I know this is an older post in the topic, but I've just got to ask. What makes you think God would let you into heaven if you have an attitude like that? You really have that much malice for your fellow man? As being just a man, it is not your job to cast damning judgment on somebody, God will do that when the day comes. As a human, you must treat your neighbors as you would have your neighbors treat you. It isn't your place to be a cocky pretentious asshole according to your religion because you are no better than he is, because we are all born sinners in this world. Perhaps you should learn that now so that if your religion by some stretch of the imagination turns out to be right, you don't wind up in hell. Why do I say this? Because as a human being, despite my agnosticism and the apparent immorality that must surely then entail (lol), I actually agree and do not think it is my place to treat you poorly as a human being. I don't wish eternal damnation upon anyone, even evil individuals. It isn't my place to do so. |
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I was speaking collectively in that anyone that does blatantly insult or mock God. I am waiting for the day when he avenge's that type of chornic an serve disbelief. It's not a virtue to not believe in God. The malice and accusations really come from the people who arn't believing. That's the point. You for instance throw a claim at me that I blame others instead of taking responsibility but that's not true. I see myself as having to live up to the standards I believe in. What have you got? You don't have any solid standards that come from any real authority and the only hope you have is in yourself? I don't judge who is going to hell or not, but I am promised certain things that I believe in. One of those things is if I do my best and repent, and believe as I do, that eternal life is a gift of grace. |
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Well thanks for clarifying your beliefs. I honestly don't know what to make of them. While I am against them based on epistemological grounds (the truth value is dubious), I have no real moral issue with your beliefs and based on a purely literary context, your critique of the bible hits home. I have always felt the idea of Jesus's arbitrary sacrifice to be morally repugnant. |
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Last edited by DeviantThinker; 09-01-2014 at 10:40 PM.
You have a really bad attitude and since everyone has done wrong you can't just get rid of wrongdoing based on nothing. It is a legal thing that had to be acomplished. You do not understand the sacrifice of Jesus, but you still make value judgments that are very disrespectful about it. I'm not 'seething' as I know it has taken a lot of brainwashing in society for you to get to this level of delusion and that tou have been a willing acomplice in your own backwards sort of deception that you imagine is righteousness. Ofcourse there is nothing I can say that has the power of myself to free you. But I should stand up for what is right and declare that you are wrong about this. The glory does belong to Jesus Christ and it wasn't an immoral act, if was an act of service. It is the potential for you to become innocent by his blood. That's not just some meaningless thing. |
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Last edited by Deanstar; 09-01-2014 at 10:56 PM.
Romans 12:21 |
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Well I will have to just agree to disagree (something which I feel free to do since we clearly don't share the same priors). |
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Last edited by DeviantThinker; 09-02-2014 at 03:15 AM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFx7...ature=youtu.be |
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Last edited by anderj101; 09-02-2014 at 02:23 AM. Reason: Merged 2 posts.
I was not aware that prime minister and emperor were synonymous with each other. Silly me. |
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@Gnostic, I'm really fascinated by what you've been revealing about gnostic religion. It seems to be far and away the most common-sense, straightforward, and intelligent take on religion I could imagine, without any of the silly stories or easily falsifiable proclamations that trip up other religions. None of the double standard morality. A religion that can be taken seriously in the modern world, where science unfortunately has eviscerated any other type of religion, causing a great deal of cognitive dissonance among the followers and spurring Nietzsche's declaration that God is dead. One thing you haven't covered is what God is, does or did. Though I suspect that's unfathomable, as it probably should be in any religion. Do Gnostics believe God created the universe? Do they believe in any kind of afterlife? Or are these also unfathomable mysteries? |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 09-02-2014 at 11:31 PM.
The main philosophy of Gnostic is that your body is a prison that the material world is a trap! They reason that the fall from grace is not due to disobeying God, but they assume that it's just a clumsy God for either being evil or just not getting it right, and that it's their job to fix everything, and become the God that saves the day themself. They in no way aknowledge the scriptures properly, and if they do, they get it wrong and distort it to their own theology. Just an anti-christ religion. Simple as that. |
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I'm really not interested in your take on it. If your understanding of evolution is any gauge, you've got everything completely wrong. |
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Despite your shortcomings (or what I see as shortcomings, anyway) I do believe that conviction is a good quality to have. Hypocrisy bugs the shit out of me, so if nothing else I can say at least you believe something and you don't try to eat your cake and have it to. I don't agree at all with you but that's okay really. Just don't try to use your beliefs to go killing people or some such trite bollocks like that and I can live with that. |
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I think it's hypocritical that he chooses that there's one true religion and it's his, and belittle other's beliefs. |
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