Thread: The earth is full of lava....?

Yes I get that, but even though the numbers are only different on a very
small scale, the implications towards the speed of light, the gravitational
force and some other fundamental physical laws are pretty immense.

I also get as to why Newton is taught instead of Einstein and that he does
just fine on the scale high school students are operating on, but I was just
trying to make a point, you know, about questioning things you learn in school.

If you would jump into a conversation about physics, entirely oblivious to the
development of the past 100 years, you might not be able to stand your ground.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Do not patronize me. Is it stupid to ask questions about how tings work? Am I to idly sit by and accept every remark the school books attempt to hammer into my head?

Originally Posted by Noogah

No thank you. I have seen the results of stupid Americans who never think for themselves.

Originally Posted by Noogah

They accept whatever the "scientists" say, and never question them. And if questioning what I hear somehow makes me inferior/unintelligent,

Originally Posted by Noogah

You can, and for further reference, I will explicitly state it to avoid confusion.

I believe that every book in the Bible is 100% true down to the last detail

I believe every chapter, and I believe every word.

No exceptions.

Phew, sure is fucking retarded and obscene double standards in here.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Phew, sure is fucking retarded and obscene double standards in here.

Silly Carousoul, one is science and the other is absolute truth.

Noogah's 100% Bible post was made earlier than his question thread about the earth. In this thread, he is doing more asking than telling. An improvement.

Originally Posted by dajo

Usually it is a good thing to question
the so called facts of life, even though I'd like to add that it would be nice
if Noogah would not only question the world views he doesn't believe in.

This.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I have seen the results of stupid Americans who never think for themselves. They accept whatever the "scientists" say, and never question them. And if questioning what I hear somehow makes me inferior/unintelligent, I would very much prefer to be inferior/unintelligent.

First, remove the colored words and sarcasm:

Originally Posted by Noogah

I have seen the results of people who never think for themselves. They accept whatever scientists say, and never question them. And if questioning what I hear somehow makes me inferior/unintelligent, I would very much prefer to be inferior/unintelligent.

There. Now you sound friendlier and more open. By posting like this, more members might treat you better, and give more useful replies. :]

In fact, phrased like that, I would agree with your point. We should always question science, as that leads to discovery!

Questioning is a good thing, Noogah. One more alteration to your post:

Originally Posted by Noogah

I have seen the results of people who never think for themselves. They accept whatever authority says, and never question it. And if questioning what I hear somehow makes me inferior/unintelligent, I would very much prefer to be inferior/unintelligent.

Try this. If you want to learn the truth, if you want to truly be open-minded, you should question even your own beliefs. It's not a sin to question yourself. If Judeo-Christian God exists, chances are he'll smile brighter upon those who've questioned their beliefs, those who don't listen to the Bible "because it's the Bible," or, "because they fear hell," but because they feel, internally, that what it says is right. Right?

Originally Posted by Noogah

The above posts makes the theory seem more plausible, but there are still aspects I find unrealistic. Of course, based on what we know, the theory of a molten inside is the most plausible, but I am not entirely certain if I believe it is completely made up of lava.

Please tell us the aspects of molten earth that you still have concerns/doubts about, and we'll do our best to show which of your concerns/doubts science can and cannot answer.

Also, regarding whether glass is solid or liquid. Glass isn't a classic solid, because it has no long-term order (even though it has a simple chemical formula). If you break a crystal, you get pieces of crystal that cleave to resemble the geometry of the original crystal. If you shatter glass, you get a bunch of chaotic splinters. Which is pretty cool, too. It's classified as an amorphous solid, for that reason.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Apparently that's a myth. Glass is a solid but it doesn't flow - at least not fast enough to be seen in old churches etc. The thickness is a result from the technique used to make the glass planes (or something like that, I don't remember exactly).

Whoa looks like you're right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#B..._antique_glass

Originally Posted by Abra

Noogah's 100% Bible post was made earlier than his question thread about the earth. In this thread, he is doing more asking than telling. An improvement.

Yes you are right. And I agree.

But I have to maintain a nasty persona or people won't like me anymore.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You can, and for further reference, I will explicitly state it to avoid confusion.

I believe that every book in the Bible is 100% true down to the last detail

I believe every chapter, and I believe every word.

No exceptions.

I think this statement will come back to bite you in the ass for many threads to come.

Originally Posted by dajo

I think this point of view will come back to bite you in the ass for many years of your life to come.

fixd

earsareringingtenlettersslowlygrowingdeaf

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Yes you are right. And I agree.

But I have to maintain a nasty persona or people won't like me anymore.

I have to maintain a nasty persona just because. No one likes me anyway ;-;.

Originally Posted by Noogah
You can, and for further reference, I will explicitly state it to avoid confusion.

I believe that every book in the Bible is 100% true down to the last detail

I believe every chapter, and I believe every word.

No exceptions.

Alright.
"I have seen the results of stupid Americans Theists who never think for themselves. They accept whatever the "scientists" God and the Bible say, and never question them. And if questioning what I hear somehow makes me inferior/unintelligent, I would very much prefer to be inferior/unintelligent."

Durrrr durrrrr durrrrr

Did we just go from evidence of tectonic theory and the core of the earth to an instruction on nettiquete?

Originally Posted by The Invisible Man

Did we just go from evidence of tectonic theory and the core of the earth to a fuckwinawesome Noogah bashing thread?

Yes we fucking did.

Originally Posted by Mario92

...is this a serious thread? I am confused...what are they teaching kids in school these days, anyway? Yes, the earth's crust is molten...how else do you explain the magnetic field around the entire planet, and the fact that said magnetic field is constantly shifting and changing? A liquid iron/nickel core is the only logical solution. The other posts above me pretty much cover the rest.

Hah. It's never bad to be sceptical, you know. I've been taught so many wrong things before. *cough* religion *cough*

Originally Posted by Mario92

And also, you're really going to make the claim that scientists are evil?

Ummmm......no? Never said that.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Unless you're really so stupid as to believe that every scientist in the world is banded together to trick the public and attack religion

Whoa.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Technically, the first layer (the mantle) isn't the hot, flowing liquid you refer to as "lava." It is not a liquid so much as a plastic. Rock makes an excellent insulator, as stated above, which is why the crust doesn't melt and become a lake of lava. Space is cold, and siphons off heat from the earth rather nicely.

Ah. I see. That makes things more clear.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Ayup, pretty much impossible. And also, reading back through Verne's book, it wasn't so much that he hit the center of the earth as he hit a small pocket nowhere near the core of the earth.

Oh well. Still makes for a fun read I guess.

Originally Posted by Mario92

But all I'm saying is that a simple google search would've provided him with more than enough proof...did he really need to make a thread on it when he could have invested ten minutes to find the solution himself? It's kind of like me making a thread called "Is space cold?"

Well, that is true, but think about it. Now we've all had a relatively interesting discussion, we've contributed to the science forum, and we've provided explanations so that other people using google will have a good place to go too. If everybody used Google, and never asked question, then the internet would run out of content. Besides, I probably got better answers here then I could have found using google.

Originally Posted by Abra

you should question even your own beliefs. It's not a sin to question yourself.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

Alright.
"I have seen the results of stupid Americans Theists who never think for themselves. They accept whatever the "scientists" God and the Bible say, and never question them. And if questioning what I hear somehow makes me inferior/unintelligent, I would very much prefer to be inferior/unintelligent."

You both make the assumption that I haven't. In reality, I have thought over many aspects of the Bible, and what has been said inside of it. I have pondered over it very often. I do not believe the Bible and everything in it because my parents have told me it is so, I believe it because it makes much sense to me, and because I know that the Holy Spirit exists through being born again. My analysis/experience has lead me to my conclusion.

Originally Posted by Abra

Please tell us the aspects of molten earth that you still have concerns/doubts about, and we'll do our best to show which of your concerns/doubts science can and cannot answer.

Actually, thanks to the posts by Mario, I pretty much get it now. I still find it somewhat unrealistic, but that's okay. I can see how it's possible, so now I'm satisfied.

Okay. Thanks everyone! You guys have been really helpful!

Originally Posted by noogah

I have thought over many aspects of the Bible, and what has been said inside of it. I have pondered over it very often. I do not believe the Bible and everything in it because my parents have told me it is so, I believe it because it makes much sense to me

Stifled giggle.

Come on though, it is because your parents told you. Don't kid yourself. Or is it just a coincidence.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Stifled giggle.

Come on though, it is because your parents told you. Don't kid yourself. Or is it just a coincidence.

I do not say things without meaning them.

Let me try again:

I believe every book of the Bible.

I believe every chapter of the Bible.

I believe every word of the Bible.

No exceptions.

The reason I believe the entire Bible is not because of parents or because of any other man. It is because I have decided it is so, and the Holy Spirit, history, science and logic has confirmed that to me many times.

When I say things, I mean them. I am telling the truth. Whether or not you believe me is your own affair.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I do not say things without meaning them.

Let me try again:

I believe every book of the Bible.

I believe every chapter of the Bible.

I believe every word of the Bible.

No exceptions.

The reason I believe the entire Bible is not because of parents or because of any other man. It is because I have decided it is so, and the Holy Spirit, history, science and logic has confirmed that to me many times.

When I say things, I mean them. I am telling the truth. Whether or not you believe me is your own affair.

Alright alright sure.



I never met a fundamentalist who was raised to be so who admitted that they had their beliefs because of how they were raised. But I can't help but deduce from the fact that most fundamentalists have been raised as such by their parents that there is a link there. Even if they deny it.


I still think you're fooling yourself but we'll let it be.

Originally Posted by Noogah

The reason I believe the entire Bible is not because of parents or because of any other man.[/B]

Actually If it weren't for the empires that gave rise to Christianity and the fact they dominated this continent you would probably never have heard the name Jesus. Just thought I'd point that out.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Actually If it weren't for the empires that gave rise to Christianity and the fact they dominated this continent you would probably never have heard the name Jesus. Just thought I'd point that out.

More simply still if he had been brought up in a muslim society in the world as it is I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have ended up a christian "because history science and logic" confirmed it. He'd have probably ended up a muslim fundie, and justify that as "because history science and logic" confirm it.

Which for the record in either case they really don't.

Don't worry guys, I believe every page, every word, every SYLLABLE, of the Qur'an.

I swear on my life, Noogah, that we will make you sane!

Originally Posted by Noogah

I do not say things without meaning them.

Let me try again:

I believe every book of the Bible.

I believe every chapter of the Bible.

I believe every word of the Bible.

No exceptions.

The reason I believe the entire Bible is not because of parents or because of any other man. It is because I have decided it is so, and the Holy Spirit, history, science and logic has confirmed that to me many times.

When I say things, I mean them. I am telling the truth. Whether or not you believe me is your own affair.

That's like me saying that I believe my favorite realistic fiction book just because some parts make sense and I can't see the plot holes so big I can drive a FUCKING truck though.
Oh, I just want to point out, I'm not an Atheist. I'm Christian/Agnostic or somewhere in between.

Oh, quick after edit, You know that some parts of the bible aren't meant as literal translations. Symbolism is used often, and it's been translated so many fucking times, who knows what it originally said. It's also missing several books, taken out during Constantine's ( A pagan, I believe) time I think. And it's not the voice of God... God didn't right it, so it's not good evidence for many religious topics.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

Oh, quick after edit, You know that sobooks, taken out during Constantine's ( A pagan, I believe)

Constantine converted after he saw a giant fucking cross in the sky.

He essentially made the Roman Empire 'holy'.

After seeing the cross he branded his army with the symbol and they went on to do some conquerin.

In Hoc Signo Vinces

So he sort of was half pagan.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Constantine converted after he saw a giant fucking cross in the sky.

He essentially made the Roman Empire 'holy'.

After seeing the cross he branded his army with the symbol and they went on to do some conquerin.

In Hoc Signo Vinces

So he sort of was half pagan.

yah, hew stragetically placed some pagan traditions into the christian/catholic church.
Silly pagan.
Oh have you heard that he was converted on his deathbed?
What a pawn he would have been.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

yah, hew stragetically placed some pagan traditions into the christian/catholic church.
Silly pagan.
Oh have you heard that he was converted on his deathbed?
What a pawn he would have been.

What? Converted to what for what and a pawn to who for what?