Thread: Using Ld's To Progress As An Artist.

I don't know if I can be of any help, but know I'm on the same page. For my writing and my art.

Originally Posted by theyearthreethousand

So can anyone share some tips?
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Yup.
Start getting on the ball with that dream journal of yours (slacker Haha.). If your dreams have any sort of surreality in them, and you keep a good track of your dreams, you should have no shortage of inspiration. I had taken a break from the artwork to work on music, for a while, but I've got a long list of dream journal entries that I can't wait to turn into art projects.

I can't help too much because there are only two dreams in your journal, so I don't really know what you would use for inspiration but, if I had a bit of insight into what kind of dream content you normally have, I might be able to offer a few suggestions.

But, on the other hand, just to give it a shot:

Start writing some ideas down on paper. Think about what kind of scenery/content you'd like to do. Landscapes? Characters? Action scenarios? If you've got somewhat of an idea on what direction you'd like to go in, you can start trying to incubate those types of concepts into dreams (looking at magazines/pics with that type of content, or brainstorming and thinking up original concepts that fall under a certain catagory. The things is, unless you are constantly dreaming up wild scenarios on your own (you don't have to be lucid to do this), you're going to have to put your mind to work and start thinking about what kind of subject matter you'd like to start putting on paper, and working on incubating those into your dreams.

Okay, thanks for your great reply Oneironaut. You are right, I should stay on top of my dream journal. Although, in my defense; i have been keeping notes on some of my greater dreams, only I haven't bothered updating them into my dream journal here. But it's on my "to do" list.

My dreams on a whole aren't that surreal tbh. Some aspects are, but not at the level which I want them to be. I'm talking Salvador Dali landscapes here! Of course, I can gather some interesting artworks from my better LD's.. but I haven't actually had a LD that fully relates to art: for example, it would be nice If I could touch a wall or a canvas and a great image would appear that I could later draw in RL, or I pierce my finger and magnificent surreal imagery pour out. Something like that. Something that I purposely do whilst lucid that would allow me to draw in RL, even if I am just staring at a strange sky from a hilltop. Do you get me?
I suppose it is all to do with dream control. But I just haven't had the opportunity to try anything, because in my dreams it seems as though I'm already involved in a story and it would be odd to go against it.. hmm.

Well, isn't that something pretty surreal - pricking your finger and surreal imergery coming out? That could become something pretty weird... I think it sounds like you may looking too hard and missing the inspiration that is right there... Unless your dreams just seem like everyday life, just not so logical?

I am ceertainly interested in getting inspiration for my music from dreams, i have had a few dreams where the most amazing song was playing, and the i havnt been able to remember it... I have a suspision though that it may have been the feeling of a hearing a terrific song, but who knows if that song was really so good... I don't know if you get what i mean - sometimes in my dreams it seems like i have an inappropriate feeling for what is happening, like my mind has applied the feeling, but it little or in no way reflects what is actually going on at the time.

I think also if you keep a dream diary up and running, you can remember more about the dream, including particualary how you felt at the time, which is all important in how the scene or situation presents itself to you...

anyway, i ramble...... :yumdumdoodledum:

Well the thing that works for me is to before going to bed look at artwork i.e. picasso or leonardo also when you wild imagine yourself drawing or something. If you do all this your likely to remeber art so it will come up in dream, also when you go lucid looks for artwork. The painting in my dream are really clear and i can remeber it really good. Most of them our variations of Picasso and leonardo works. I am starting a surrealism project so i will concentrate more in dreams. So basically just look at artworks before sleeping and imagine artworks whilst wilding. For dream journals write what you see more then story it helps because your focusing more on imagery then context.

buh! I wanted to make an art-lucid dream thread, you beat me to it.

I was hoping I could use lucid dreams as as source of inspiration for my artwork, and to also see what I can 'potentionally' create I've had a couple of inspiring art related dreams in the past. In one of them after trying to defeat some random bad guy, the bad guy tossed art prints at me. I was easily distracted by them, but I was shocked at how gorgeous and colorful these prints were, how crisp and amazing they all were. I remember thinking in the dream that who ever said you dream in black and white is a total idiot.

I also had another dream, where I was drawing something that was very hard for me to draw in real life. It was sooo easy in the dream, and everything made so much sense. The drawing was everything I wanted it to be. I payed close attention to all the details in my dream drawing, and it was very detailed. And I payed close attention to my hand strokes. I had another similar dream with painting. Again, it was a painting I was having so much trouble with in the real world, but it was so simple and easy in the dream. I payed attention to how I layered the paint. In this dream it felt like an old master has pocessed me and all I could do was watch in awe, and I was watching myself. Everytime I wake up and there was never a pen or pencil to doodle what I saw in my dream, and even then I could never recreate it!

buh..im a better artist in my dreams, isnt that sad? I'm hoping I can find a way to so that my dreams can still help me rather than leave me with nothing when I wake up.

I have tried to also paint my more amazing and surreal dreams, but thats always a challenge!

"""""" I'm talking Salvador Dali landscapes here! Of course, I can gather some interesting artworks from my better LD's.. but I haven't actually had a LD that fully relates to art: for example, it would be nice If I could touch a wall or a canvas and a great image would appear that I could later draw in RL, or I pierce my finger and magnificent surreal imagery pour out. Something like that."""""---- theyearthreethousand


me personally, i dont think that you can dream and expect to get ideas from them on command. ideas for great art isnt just going to appear when you command them too. i feel that in you wanting to "grab" " magnificent surreal imagery" from your dreams-----it is missing the point of art. you cant command them to appear. find meaning in your dreams yourself

Originally Posted by z5r0

it is missing the point of art. you cant command them to appear. find meaning in your dreams yourself
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The POINT of art? People have different ideas and feelings about what art means or is to them.. so.. I don't know what you're saying there pal. There isn't just one 'point' to art.

Originally Posted by theyearthreethousand

The main reason why I started LD'ing was to help with my artwork - I wanted to vision surreal ideas in my dreams that I could remember and paint. This hasn't happened yet.. but you could say that I've been distracted. I think that I would be neglecting my other dreams (which seem to be important) if I dedicated all my time to achieving this. Then again, I'm not even certain about how I would go about it. I know that other people may be in the same situation as me - maybe you are not a painter but a musician? I remember reading somewhere that Aphex Twin who is an excellent and quite popular electronic artist, said that he searched for unique sounds in his dreams.

So can anyone share some tips? Maybe you've also heard of famous artists that use dreaming as a method of progressing their work?
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I don't know enough to know of any famous artists who did it, but I once wanted to bring something nice back from my dream, and noticed a photo on the floor, of a teddybear, sitting, so I tried to recreate it -
The result

Yeah, getting inspired and ideas from dreams is seriously one of the neatest things to do. When you can just dream up something and then use that to create something in the 'real' world its like transcending dimensionsal reality or something, fricking cool.

I use my dreams a lot for inspiration and stuff for drawing, I try to reproduce a feeling or whatever of when I was dreaming, Ive got tons of sketches from just waking up and jotting down the images of some cool scenes from dreams.

And remember that story how Paul McCartney heard the melody for the song 'yesterday' in a dream, then woke up and figured out how to play it and wrote words.

I'd also like to get into practicing in dreams, anyone do this? like play a new guitar part for a song, wake up and know how to play it

Originally Posted by theyearthreethousand

So can anyone share some tips?
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On those occasions sometimes when every wall you look at has no art on it, use your finger as an imaginary art gun. Shoot the wall with an imaginary bang. Once a painting appears, every wall will start to have lots of paintings on them for the rest of the lucid dream.

On those occasions sometimes when every painting you find seems pointless and not worth memorizing, "think about thinking" for a few moments then move on and look at the next painting. You'll see that all the previous paintings were uninteresting because you were not thinking about anything as you were looking at them.

Ignore the lucid dream's details, fun, and drama so instead you get good at only looking at paintings and see the most paintings per year you can.

After looking at a dozen or so paintings, if you see a good one, stop and memorize it for a few seconds, then keep moving to find some more paintings if you don't want to wake up. But if you do want to wake up with that good painting fresh in your memory, then stay there memorizing the painting until you wake up. The lack of stimulation from the lucid dream will wake you up.