Lucidity on a subconscious level?

[Shantak]

For a few years now I've wondered if I'm sometimes aware on a subconsciuos level or at the back of my consciuos mind that I'm dreaming and as a result don't think about it to become lucid. Some dreams become lucid spontaneously for mo apparant reason and some because I mention it to a DC in conversation, the latter telling me that I was aware but not thinking about it. A recent event really got me thinking though. A while ago I started using telekenesis in LD's. Since this, I occasionally do it in non-lucids, I have roughly the same skill level and method. Its almost as if I've taught my subconscious that it can be done in a dream and now its used in regular dreams. I had a dream a few weeks ago where I was in a room full of people and I was demonstrating telekenesis to them, but wouldn't tell them how I did it. A bit later when I was walking around outside, I saw one of the people who was there earlier, I asked her if she would like to know how I used telekenesis. She said yes and was very curious, I told her that it was because it was my dream. That dream became lucid then. It's also an example of what I said earlier about how I sometimes casually tell a DC I'm dreaming without thinking it to myself before. I don't really know what to make of it all though. Was I lucid at the very back of my conscious mind? Am I often like this? Really makes me wonder. I sometimes have non-lucids where something doesn't go to plan and I rewind time to "try again". Another point would be if there is some awareness of dreaming without actually thinking about it, could this be harnessed somehow to get more lucids?

[Bobblehat]

Yes. I've gone through entire dreams with a vague sense that I'm dreaming but not done anything about it. I also wonder if I get a kind of "pulse" of awareness of the fact I'm dreaming - like the thought "am i dreaming?" occurs very briefly or begins to occur but then stops before it reaches fruition.

[VagalTone]

Another point would be if there is some awareness of dreaming without actually thinking about it, could this be harnessed somehow to get more lucids? yes, probably. I think autosuggestion can arouse that subconscious, remote awareness of dreaming. if you say « i will remember i am dreaming» how do you remember if you don't already know you are dreaming, and assuming you didn´t notice a dreamsign ?

[Zoth]

Yes, I'd assume subconscious notion that you are dreaming is very common, and it might explain a lot of described scenarios where the person reports not being "quite lucid". I don't know how it could be of help to you though, the interest would be becoming conscious of it, but how would you make the bridge between the 2?

[Bobblehat]

A while ago I started using telekenesis in LD's. Since this, I occasionally do it in non-lucids, Its almost as if I've taught my subconscious that it can be done in a dream and now its used in regular dreams. Another point would be if there is some awareness of dreaming without actually thinking about it, could this be harnessed somehow to get more lucids? Hi Shantak, I had a think about this. I wondered if the super-ability of telekinesis when it occurs in a non-lucid is not a strong enough action to make you, the dreamer, realise it's a dream. A reasonable alternative would perhaps be to do something shocking that would, in normal walking life, result in death. The simplest that springs to mind is the action of flying up, in a straight line and flying faster and faster so that you are always experiencing acceleration. A simple objective then: Fly up, and constantly accelerate the flying. If you can get out of the earth's atmosphere several things should've already killed you on the trip: g force, lack of oxygen, the cold (and possibly fear). I suppose the journey could start out as a kind of telekinesis, where you do the jump RC or try to lift your feet off the floor a few inches. Once you've achieved this you could switch to your goal of flying up with rapid acceleration.

[Shantak]

Yes, I'd assume subconscious notion that you are dreaming is very common, and it might explain a lot of described scenarios where the person reports not being "quite lucid". I don't know how it could be of help to you though, the interest would be becoming conscious of it, but how would you make the bridge between the 2? I know its common to be convinced you are not dreaming while dreaming but I wonder if during these moments of using powers, that bridge just might be there if you look for it. You could literally ask yourself "Am I dreaming?" and answer it as yes without any RC, simply because there seems to be some awareness without thinking about it? Especially with the telekenis example, that I was using it "because its a dream so I can". Hi Shantak, I had a think about this. I wondered if the super-ability of telekinesis when it occurs in a non-lucid is not a strong enough action to make you, the dreamer, realise it's a dream. A reasonable alternative would perhaps be to do something shocking that would, in normal walking life, result in death. The simplest that springs to mind is the action of flying up, in a straight line and flying faster and faster so that you are always experiencing acceleration. A simple objective then: Fly up, and constantly accelerate the flying. If you can get out of the earth's atmosphere several things should've already killed you on the trip: g force, lack of oxygen, the cold (and possibly fear). I suppose the journey could start out as a kind of telekinesis, where you do the jump RC or try to lift your feet off the floor a few inches. Once you've achieved this you could switch to your goal of flying up with rapid acceleration. I like this idea Bobblehat. It is true that telekenesis is probably no more unusual than the next strange thing that seems to happen in my dreams. Flying is another example of something I started doing in lucids (many years ago) and since then crops up in regular dreams now and then, the only trouble is I'm very bad at it, to the point where I don't do it an LD's at the moment because I can't keep a dream going during flying. Thinking about it though, passing through solid objects is another thing that I started doing and non-lucids learnt it as well, though I seem to be much more switched on with it than telekenesis though, I've had a few lucids because I noticed I'm putting my hand inside a solid object, it's almost like a reality check for me. Perhaps I could use phasing much more often in lucids, while starting to use it more as a reality check through the day. And I guess I can think on something really harsh to do as well.

[Bobblehat]

I'll toy with it for a couple of days and nights and see what happens, Shantak. With the passing through solid objects thing, could you not just pass a hand into the ground and continue to pass more and more of your body into the ground until you are completely underground and then continue to descend? (Flying is more my thing, don't know if that would work for me). I suppose you could continue to descend until you reach magma. Like with flying up, you should've been dead within seconds of passing into the earth by suffocation and would definitely be dead by the time you reach magma!

[Bobblehat]

Wanted to experiment with this last night but my recall has dropped to about zero recently so I'm left with nothing to work with.

[Shantak]

Will be interesting to see what you find. I wish I could run experiments, I don't have decent LD's often enough though. That and often times my brain is so weak I forget to even stabilise it nevermind try different things I want to. Had 4 LD's in the past 3 nights though so I'm hoping I'm seeing a sudden surge again, been going through a dry spell. 3 were very weak though.