Thread: Do WILDs miss the point?

Thought I might start an interesting debate...
(To me) lucid dreaming is about training your mind to question our reality so that we become not only aware that we are dreaming within dreams, but that we are aware of the world around us in day to day life. And so DILDers' awareness levels will be higher during their dreams because they've actually trained their mind to think deeply.

While those are certainly useful skills to have, the main point of any lucid dream technique is to have a lucid dream. As such, I'm going to say no because WILD has a pretty good chance of success. Besides, I'd recommend reality checking and such, regardless of technique.

Hmmm... The point is to realize that I am dreaming when I am dreaming. Many report having higher awareness in WILDs, i generally have lower though.

I think I kind of get what you mean and I have felt the same way too about WILDing. In my quest to be lucid I imagine it as a lifestyle change where I am constantly trying to improve my life by being more aware of the present moment and not just go about my life on autopilot. Personally I haven't tried doing WILD much yet because I've felt like it kind of skips over this learning process of being constantly present in life by just going straight to the dream and not developing the general awareness to often realize you're dreaming.

Saying that, I do recognize it as a good tool for becoming familiar with lucid dreaming because from what I've read of people using it, it seems like a great way to guarantee a quick LD if done properly which will add to your overall experience with it and will make it less likely that you will get frustrated and give up by not seeing quick progress. The more experience you have with lucid dreaming the easier it becomes, so anything that allows you to spend more time while lucid is helpful in your overall quest. I think as long as you keep this in mind and continue to practice the fundamentals and adapt your lifestyle by being aware in the present moment so that you are more likely to naturally be lucid, you can still WILD without missing the point of LDing and it may even enhance the process.

I think there might be a flaw in your question, Agaruff: In order to successfully WILD, you must do the daytime work as well.

WILD and DILD are just two ways lucid dreams happen. Making them happen is an act of will, of self-awareness, and is the result of serious daytime mental preparation. It doesn't matter during day when you are doing this mental prep whether you will be entering your dream through WILD or DILD. In other words, if you don't do the day work, you won't have a successful WILD anyway, and people who DILD are likely thinking no more deeply than people who WILD.

So, since you must be mentally prepared to lucid dream, regardless of how you get to it, the route you take really does not matter.

For me DILDs and WILDs are on the same level of value. They are both deep in their own respect.
The actual process may be different ,but the prep work towards each is no different (atleast for me).
So prep work/packing the same. The journey may have different paths/route , but the destination is the same.

DILD is to add/gain awareness
WILD is to hold/retain awareness
I find beauty in each one and I am astonish of each one.

WILD isn't always a visible dream formation. Sometimes people just wait for something to show up when in actuality they're already asleep and dreaming. So someone who does WILD also has to have the same thought process as you a “DILDER” of taking notice of self and environment.

I don't like to put a barrier between each one. So I also think there aren't DILDERs or WILDERs, there are only Dreamers.
Thank you for the post and I hope you or anyone else can understand this perspective as well.

Without my WILDs, I I would have less DILDs, and vice versa, it is all experience to the right place.