Thread: Visual, Audio And Movement Wild

So you can actually do this when going to sleep?

It sounds pretty easy

yes and it is easy all you need to do is move to hypnogogic image when they appear or your thought go random see your sleep paralysed then so all movement will be done in mind so when you succead to move you will be in dream all you need to beawear of is false awakening. just try and stick to all three technique to have the most success in going into dream with the last one your aim.

It sounds really cool. I am gonna try it out man

How do you come up with such interesting techniques? This one sounds pretty easy, but I think it would be pretty easy to fall asleep, even if you are playing music. I know I've fallen asleep while playing a kickass song in my head.

Originally Posted by towarmforacoat

How do you come up with such interesting techniques? This one sounds pretty easy, but I think it would be pretty easy to fall asleep, even if you are playing music. I know I've fallen asleep while playing a kickass song in my head.
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So you are just playing the music in your head or are you actually having music playing in the background?

Originally Posted by Stiffy

So you are just playing the music in your head or are you actually having music playing in the background? [/b]

I thought I had made it clear enough, but apparently I didn't. Sorry.
I "imagine" the music.

Nice!
Im guessing this is with WBTB?
uh seems to me im in the hypnagogic state instantly
returning to bed after 5-15 min... or is that not possible?

When going to bed normally after 5-10min or so I have
random thoughts and I hear noises and voices saying
the craziest things.is that hypnagogic stuff?

Why techno without words?

How do you tell when to switch from audio to video, then physical?
Thanks!

its possible . it happened to me last month i had music on while a sleep than in my lucid dream i was able to hear it like a backround .

it is very strange tho.

the audio is just to keep you awake intill hypnogogic images appear or thought turn random.

i should clear up a thing on visualization this is done to loose track of time which is common in picture thinkers and when you are thinking in picture hypnogogic images are more likely to appear and your body will more likely be paralysed and if your thinking about something it easy to spot when thought turn random.
questioning yourself with picture on a subject is mind favourite to see hypnogogic images as you are thinking. no verbal thought is allowed because this is a huge hint that thought have turn random .

when hypnogogic images appear this is when you start to move this will be weird you have to aim of moving your hand to the object like you would grab something in real life. imagine you hands were tied down and you wanted to grab a apple you can imagine moving forward and moving you hands like your actually doing it with practice this will become very easy and more you do it the more it will become like a muscle reflex into your dream.

p.s. i suggest that you try this at night because your more connected with your body this will force your brain to change so it become really easy and it has a knock on effect for all dreams and if done correctly their will be a point at beginning of dream that is very vivid and you are very lucid that can be lost in the mourning. WBTB it a good technique but it can be a problem because the movement you want is like your normal body this is lost when you do this because your very relaxed that is unnatural to movement.

random thoughts and I hear noises and voices saying
the craziest things.is that hypnagogic stuff[/b]

yes this is hypnogogic stuff when this occur you should start to moving toward it

Why techno without words?[/b]

this is because when thought turn random verbal langauge is a big give away so if your imagining music with word it sometime hard to tell them apart.

How do you tell when to switch from audio to video, then physical?[/b]

you start with audio and video and when thought turn random or you see hypnogogic then move toward the source and then grab the thing.

Hi Becomingagodo:

This is truly excellent. Do you think your technique can be used for daytime WILDs? The big problem many people have is that they are unable to stay awake long enough for nocturnal WILDs. Instead of using a music audio, another possibility may be to listen to a voice file containing LD suggestions.

good question about daytime WILD it is possible but it will be very hard because you need to hypnogogic images to make it work. you misunderstood the audio bit you dont physically listen to music you imagine listening to music like when you hum a tune in your head when you do this is very difficult to just drop off.

Does this work when first going to bed?
Like you dont have to wake up 6 hours later?

I tried last night, but with verbal thought.
I see what you mean by just observing and not verbally
thinking about the HI, I think that might be where I failed.

this is because when thought turn random verbal langauge is a big give away so if your imagining music with word it sometime hard to tell them apart.[/b]

Im not sure what you meant by "a big give away". And what do you mean by "hard to tell them apart"?
By "a big give away" do you mean it keeps you from HI?
Do you mean with wordless music that you cant tell how long you've been thinking it?

The initial post is a little tricky to read, but seems like a really good tecnique.

Sorry if english isn't your native language; maybe im just not understanding for some reason.
Anyone who understands this please feel free to explain it to me.

Does this work when first going to bed?
Like you dont have to wake up 6 hours later?[/b]

yes it does work when first going to bed and is better if you do this then instead of waking up 6 hours later.

I tried last night, but with verbal thought.
I see what you mean by just observing and not verbally
thinking about the HI, I think that might be where I failed.[/b]

the verbal thought issue comes from the fact that it very easy to drop off and miss HI like you did then.

Im not sure what you meant by "a big give away". And what do you mean by "hard to tell them apart"?By "a big give away" do you mean it keeps you from HI?
Do you mean with wordless music that you cant tell how long you've been thinking it?[/b]

a big give away is that when going to sleep their a stage just before entering dream where verbal thought get messed up if your thinking verbally you are likely to miss this. it does keep you from HI because the area of brain associated with language switch when near HI. the music is not about that it about keeping you up to HI appear because it not verbal their no giant switch and since your thinking about the music your still conscious of sound.
the main point of this technique is getting to the point of HI and imagine then moving your body i.e. arm to touch this if you do this correctly you will be in the dream if you fail quickly check the room and try again HI will appear very quick and just repeat intill successful.

p.s. when trying this if their trouble getting to HI then listen to wordless music in the dark in bed for 30 minuate and just imagine what the music would look like then when 30 minuate are up just play back the song in your head and start the visualization technique and when HI appear move on to movement technique. also you have to think about visualization and audio i.e. you have to think for this to work.
when i mean visualization i mean like day dreaming with audio so you will not fully fall asleep

for people who do not understand this technique i will three example of me using it

i start by imaging playing beethoven moonlight sonate in my head i then turn of all verbal thought and then i begin to visualize what is genius daydreaming famous people the works of leonardo da vinci i do this by imaging the picture as firework going off and i am controlling them. then because i visualizing and thinking about something time become weird it seem to jump ( it help to not think linear or in a straight line and if you cant remeber what you just did this is a good sign) then after some time a t.v. appear in front of me surrounded by nothing and then i imagine moving my hand toward it and see my arm and now i am in dream that is my bed false awakening occur.

this is in mouring so i just done some basic daydreaming about the subject of what is reality then i see funny mathmatical tiles in front of me then i grab like i would a normal object and i am in the dream and the tiles feel like clay and i can move them fine i then move out of house look around everything very real but then i move to go out and wake up.

when i woke up from last dream i quickly do the above again by loosely daydreaming on movement or what is movement the HI appear very quickly i go to move my hand to touch them and end up in dream.

When I do WBTB I can easily get HI to appear actually. I often fall asleep pretty fast though, so I need something to keep me awake. That could be the music stuff for example.
Anyway though, I tried your technique when going to bed, and I don't remember much. I imagined some piano music and then my thoughts got a bit random. After atleast 3 minuts, I fell into a deep sleep. I am gonna try again tonight

I tried your technique when going to bed, and I don't remember much. I imagined some piano music and then my thoughts got a bit random. After atleast 3 minuts, I fell into a deep sleep.[/b]

when your thought turn random to avoid falling asleep try to imagine your moving your body e.g. your arm if you do this like you would actully move your arm then two thing might happen you might move your arm in real life or move your arm in a dream when you get to this stage tonight try imagining you are moving your arm in real life 1. it will stop you falling asleep and 2. it will bound to work at some stage so you are in the dream.

p.s. when i mean move your arm i mean like you would move your arm in real if you do this successfully or unsucessfully it will train your mind to enter a dream like you would flex your own muscle. also your sleep paralysed so it more likely you will move in dream.

To be honest, I've been in real sleep paralysis. I've only been in that stage, where you think "I'm paralyzed!" and then you move something and the attempt is spoiled

Say, how do I want to do? Should I actually try to do a physical move, or just imaging the feeling of my arm moving? No offence man, but your english is a bit rusty hehe

Say, how do I want to do? Should I actually try to do a physical move, or just imaging the feeling of my arm moving?[/b]

you just imagine the feeling of arm moving toward something. it very hard to describe the correct way of doing this but if you try it a couple of times it will work.

To be honest, I've been in real sleep paralysis. I've only been in that stage, where you think "I'm paralyzed!" and then you move something and the attempt is spoiled[/b]

it does not matter if your actually paralyzed you just need to be neer the stage of HI. the attempt is never spoiled if you move physically unless you start using verbal thought like damn i failed e.t.c. if you physically move your hand just put your hand down focus on imaging music playing and possible on imaging moving your hand then just start again it will take about 2 minuate to get back to HI so you can make another attempt.

p.s. when i tried my attempt at this last night i failed twice because i actually lifted my hand up. however i did succead then but five minuate later a big flash happen and i lost lucidity i was going around the dream as usual but then i had a false awakening where i gained back most lucidity however their was a giant bird in front me that was so scary i just froze for 5 minaute then i started throwing stuff at it. soon it disappear but then was replaced by doctor who plastic men and everything was coming alive at the end i ran down stairs and woke up this was my second only nightmare of my life im pretty sure i would have become lucid if i was not scared witless.

lol its always a post like this i read before i try and lucid dream... just puts you off ay lol

Okay, I tried again tonight, but I didn't really manage to get into any state and no HI whatsoever.

During the WBTB I fell asleep before I even tried xD

the problem might be to do with relaxation of body you dont focus on your body or you will mess this up also you dont think verbally or your mess it up and also dont worry getting to a state of HI you just have to wait to your thought turn random then imagine moving toward that.

p.s. when i mean thought go random it when someone talking in your head and you start to believe if you move then it will wake you up but if you quickly carry on you willl be neer HI and if thought turn random repeat again Marvo you proberly failed this because your inabillity to move.

I have been in that state actually, where I think I imagine a friend, and it's almost like an HI, but I can clearly hear his voice, like if he was in the actual room. Sometimes that sort of HS is scary. First I thought I was skizo and stuff, but I recognized it was HS pretty fast. The funnny thing is, that the voices are saying stuff that my mind makes up. A few times I've almost had an HI of one of my friends too. I'll keep trying man

I have been in that state actually, where I think I imagine a friend, and it's almost like an HI, but I can clearly hear his voice, like if he was in the actual room. Sometimes that sort of HS is scary[/b]

before you fall asleep you body goes throught this if you use no verbal thought you can easily pick this out and when this occur all you have to do is try and move toward it by moving your hand to where the voices are coming from if you do this you will get strong HI where you can imagine moving your hand toward the objects.

Yeah, that Hypnogagic stage sometimes weirds me out.
I can see and hear people saying things the never said,
and they sound and look EXACTLY how they do in real life.

So with my attempts (WILD too) so far, actually its sometimes hard for me to remember what
I do, but my usual downfall is I hardly ever loose touch with my body; that is,
I ALWAYS know that if I try moving my arm, it will move physically.

I guess I should just imaging the music more? I just usually have trouble dropping
out right after the mild HI, as I go to sleep pretty quick. I hope the music thing helps
keep me awake till I get totally immersed in the HI to do the object grab.

These direct entry techniques are really weird in how you lose track of time.
Its such a weird feeling being totally unaware of time passing.
anyone have that happen?