Thread: Visual, Audio And Movement Wild

So why movement, and not just feeling or slapping things?
Slapping the concrete seemed more natural, and it also has sound.

Have you tried without imagining any music at all?
I usually end up only imagining the music for like a minute.

How long do you usually imagine the music?
How long till you get HI?
I get HI within a few minutes, and asleep in about 5-10 minutes.
For my HI, usually I start with hearing something; and last night
I heard It while sitting up in bed with my eyes partially open!

I think it would be helpful to trade our sleep specs. hehe[/b]

i have tried it without music if you fall asleep usally then you should use it. well i imagine music all thorught it from the beginning of going to sleep. i get HI about that long. slapping something seem to violate and hard to control with your body that why.

I seem to keep falling asleep, however, this night I got into a very weird state. Suddenly I just got such a 'feeling' like I was flying. I tried to stay in it, and I think I was in it for 1 minute. It was very weird, though I didn't see any HI.

I'll keep trying [/b]

yes i have been in a state like this when doing the method but instead of flying i was falling if you start imagining moving with it or against the sensation of movement i will stabillize. if you getting this it mean you were very close to entering dream.

Ya, its really hard not to fall asleep. I don't even notice.
Next thing I know its morning. I've been trying this every night
and I will keep doing it! Right as I lay down to go to sleep, I see
random objects, and so I touch them and I try to keep concentrated
but whenever I concentrate on the HI I can't remeber to imagine the
music, and fall asleep.
I'm going to find a nice long catchy classical or techno song.
What other songs do you use becomingagodo? your link didnt work...

if you are having such a hard time imagining music in HI just try the technique without it. also remeber to imagine moving your arms before you see the HI also dont try on concentrate on HI hard just concentrate on moving your arms to touch HI.

if you are still having trouble lucid dreaming i have made the technique more easy. you can imagine music but this is not improtant anymore you should only imagine yourself floating forward into HI. you should start the feeling of floating forward when you begin sleeping and when HI appear you should feel yourself floating toward it into you can touch it and then try to ground yourself in dream by putting your feet on the ground and then touch object with your arms if this does not work repeat again. soon it will work and you would be in dream.

I think that might be hard to to imagine as I havn't ever floated...
But I'll give it a try!!

My HI never appears far off.. It always seems i'm right there next to it.
Is it like your floating towards a picture of HI,
or is it like your in an HI scene, and your just floating around?
hehe I know this is really hard to explain.

What about imagining stomping your foot? Its a well known feeling, and
easier to imaging than floating or waving your arm, as I walk more than
float or wave my arm...

I tried last night imagining floating around my house, while imagining music,
but I coudn't get to sleep doing that.

Could you please make a rewrite of the guide because of all the
changes to the technique you made.
I am not very sure how to do this now.

My main questions:

Music:
Imagine it? yes? no?
How long do you imagine it?
How do you tell when to stop?

Movement:
Floating: Do you imagine yourself doing something like
floating around your house? or do you imagine an object
surrounded by black and floating towards it?
Waving Arm: Do you imagine what it would feel like
to move your arm, or do you actually do what you would
to physically move your arm?
Touching object:
For my HI, usually I half see black, and half see an image.
I can manipulate these images pretty easily, but I think that keeps
me awake. Do you imagine touching something right from the start?
Or do you wait untill the HI is really thick and then touch?
How do you tell when to touch the HI?


Thanks! Theres no sense trying if i'm not doing it right

I tried last night imagining floating around my house, while imagining music,
but I coudn't get to sleep doing that.[/b]

i had the same problem last night

Could you please make a rewrite of the guide because of all the
changes to the technique you made.
I am not very sure how to do this now.[/b]

i will do another post with the title the new visual,audio and movement WILD aftert i solve on problem and make it fool proof.my computer broke so it might take a few days. just stick to a method of this technique that gives you most reward untill i write new post. i think i know what going wrong so just wait.

Hi Eggbert, Becomingagodo:

It seems that there is some confusion regarding HI. When you close your eyes in a dark room, you "see" all kinda images resulting from spontaneous retinal discharges. On top of that, you see imagined images. These are not HI. These images can usually be controlled so that you see only what you want to visualize or imagine.

In contrast, genuine HI is spontaneous. You see your regular imagined images, then suddenly something totally unexpected, like a fragment of a dream, momentarily appears. This is HI, actual dream images resulting from the brain momentarily going to sleep. Typically, genuine HI is brighter and more vivid than imagined images.

Eggbert, floating around the house seems to be an good idea. The other thing is simply to patiently observe your regular non-HI images and wait for them to change into genuine HI. Another possibility is VILD, where you visualize yourself in a "dream room" (see tutorial). Becomigagodo's comment that HI is about to appear when thought processes break up is an excellent insight. This is the problem, however, that one tends to drift into the fragmented thoughts and fall asleep unconsciously, rapidly passing through SP and HI into a regular dream. This is an interesting thread and the technique is similar to what I have been working on for several months (without success).

Thanks for the info
Usually right when I lay down to go to sleep,
I see random images, and hear people say random things.
I assume this is HI? I can also imagine floating around my house
but its a little less vivid than the random images, and I cant fall asleep
while making 'fake' HI... So I think i'll try just staying awake by the music,
and when the real random HI gets vivid i'll try to touch it.

hows the technique coming? Any new discoveries?

I done it alot of times now, and I don't seem to get anything out of it. It brings me into a trance, but concentrating on my breath is a better way to get into trance. For me atleast. I'm gonna do some experimenting, like getting up in the night and do the technique. Let's see

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

good question about daytime WILD it is possible but it will be very hard because you need to hypnogogic images to make it work. you misunderstood the audio bit you dont physically listen to music you imagine listening to music like when you hum a tune in your head when you do this is very difficult to just drop off.
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I don't see why this should be a trouble at all, you can get HI ay daytime as easily as night, depending on how tired you are.

I can see HI in like 5 mins if i close my eyes ( even if I'm not tired )


I don't see a big diffrence in this technique to ordinary WILD, to enter a dream from WILD is the same thing you actually gotta imagine yourself moving, try to interact with the HI / dreamscapes you see. That's the whole point. This is more of how-to-get-into-a-dream-from-transition-phase. Tutorial more than a " new " WILD technique in my opinion.

I think I will try this tonight.

I may be a little bit of topic but I have a question about the HI. I took an afternoon nap to WILD today. I saw my usual HI that I see when I fall asleep. I am sure this is genuine HI because the images that I see are quite shocking most of the time.

This time to got into HI but then I think they turned into short dreams with sound and vididness I would forget myself at this point as if I was sound asleep. It would last 5 - 10 seconds and then I would remember what I was doing and it would fade I would be more alert.

Am I falling asleep and waking up or is that HI? If that is HI then I never had the chance to move into it because I forgot myself. Also, during all of this I never felt like I was in SP just had a little numbness in my hands and arms. Can you help me straighten this out?

Also, another thing that bothers me is, I get very concious of my mouth. I feel like I need to swallow spit all the time. I try to ignore it but then my mouth feels too full of spit and I think I will choke if I dont swallow. Then after awhile I will get dry mouth. I dont know if any of you notice that but I hate it.

Originally Posted by sc00by

I don't see why this should be a trouble at all, you can get HI ay daytime as easily as night, depending on how tired you are.

I can see HI in like 5 mins if i close my eyes ( even if I'm not tired )
I don't see a big diffrence in this technique to ordinary WILD, to enter a dream from WILD is the same thing you actually gotta imagine yourself moving, try to interact with the HI / dreamscapes you see. That's the whole point. This is more of how-to-get-into-a-dream-from-transition-phase. Tutorial more than a " new " WILD technique in my opinion.
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Except in the day-time it's alot harder to fall asleep and start dreaming.

I do something similar, except I attempt to start HI through memories or fantasies - that way my mind can't drift easily, so I won't be focused on the physical world around me. Eventually my brain takes over and plays the HI for me, and that really lets my mind drift and have SP kick in.

What we really want here is a WILD without WBTB... how do you do it? Does it work?

I tried it last night, but it didn't work... I kept mentally humming Fur Elise, thinking about my grand-grandmother's house in pictures (which was anyway amazing, I had no idea I could remember so many details) and I kept imagining that I was reaching out my hand. But nothing happened. I got bored after about an hour and I rolled on the other side. I think my problem is that I'm not relaxed enough... Any suggestions (except for the 61 point relaxation technique... the picture is too complicated for my poor little over-worked brain...) ?

I fail this WILD but I got 2 DILDs from it and then a non-lucid lucid dream. Wierd. My problem last night was I got uncomfortable on my back so I rolled to my side. I was out in 30secs.

Originally Posted by Xanous

I think I will try this tonight.

I may be a little bit of topic but I have a question about the HI. I took an afternoon nap to WILD today. I saw my usual HI that I see when I fall asleep. I am sure this is genuine HI because the images that I see are quite shocking most of the time.

This time to got into HI but then I think they turned into short dreams with sound and vididness I would forget myself at this point as if I was sound asleep. It would last 5 - 10 seconds and then I would remember what I was doing and it would fade I would be more alert.

Am I falling asleep and waking up or is that HI? If that is HI then I never had the chance to move into it because I forgot myself. Also, during all of this I never felt like I was in SP just had a little numbness in my hands and arms. Can you help me straighten this out?

Also, another thing that bothers me is, I get very concious of my mouth. I feel like I need to swallow spit all the time. I try to ignore it but then my mouth feels too full of spit and I think I will choke if I dont swallow. Then after awhile I will get dry mouth. I dont know if any of you notice that but I hate it.
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Hey, I think your problem is you tried an afternoon WILD. Those are much, much harder to pull off then WBTB, Ive personally never pulled off an afternoon WILD because... well I just cannot fall asleep while taking a nap. I can get very close like you described, I might even start seeing through my eyelids, but the problem is I'll never reach sleep paralysis, or start dreaming. I have an issue with "jolting" while napping. My HI will get very vivid, and my entire will just shudder when I think I am actually there (again because of the lack of sleep paralysis, I actually try to act out a movement during the HI, and my body ends of shuddering snapping me out of it). You should really try WBTB. A little numbness is not sleep paralysis, it's just your body's muscles getting very relaxed. And about your mouth, I've never had a problem with it, the best advice I could give is just try to forget about it. You are to focused on your own body and physical world around you. This could prevent you from reaching sleep paralysis while trying WBTB. Your throat swallowing spit is a natural reaction, and will happen on its own. If you do get overcome with the urge, just swallow the spit and continue, you'll pickup where you left off very soon anyway. It's also much worse lingering on the issue then actually comitting it and moving on in this case.