Thread: How to VILD effectively

this... sounds... FREAKIN AWESOME!! ...

i cant wait to try this. Iv'e recently just got out of my dry spell and looking for a new technique to expand on!, thanks a bunch dude!.. I LOVE YOU

Man, you've interested me... I've not been into LDs since mid-late 2006; I stopped for various reasons.

However, this looks both easy (compared to other tecniques) and effective; if it works I'll be back in the business soon

I'll let you know!

(I also want to thank italianmonkey who pointed me at this thread: thanks! )

I'm concentrating on VILD for the month of February. I'll report throughout the month

Also, if you are new to this, try to start out in a world that you know very well (your office at work, your room, etc.) When I started out, I tried to see mountians and such. After a little, I would forget some details, and it was just very hard to start out on.

One of the best things about this though is that after you complete it, you have the image of the place in your mind that you can go back to. I made a place in medieval times that I go back to every night, and i add on to it a little every time i go back. I am king in this kingdom, and it is really a second life.

VILDs have worked for me on occasion, but a lot of times I end up having an incredibly vivid non LD. Sometimes I'll have DILD that came from the VILD, but vivid dreams are better than blurry dreams.

Originally Posted by hootman

Also, if you are new to this, try to start out in a world that you know very well (your office at work, your room, etc.) When I started out, I tried to see mountians and such. After a little, I would forget some details, and it was just very hard to start out on.

One of the best things about this though is that after you complete it, you have the image of the place in your mind that you can go back to. I made a place in medieval times that I go back to every night, and i add on to it a little every time i go back. I am king in this kingdom, and it is really a second life.

This man speaks truth =)

An office or your house might not be the most fun places to start, but they can provide good starting scenarios. Otherwise, it is highly reccomended that you use other memories/previous dream scenarios to boost yourself up.

NICE ONE ARBY!
definatly focusing on this method for the next month. I have a few questions...
1) Is it ok to wake up with an alarm clock?
2) Should i stay still and keep my eyes shut after waking or can i take a quick leek?
3) What sleeping position is best to induce a VILD?
4) How many hours into my sleep should i wake up, the usuall 5-6?

Originally Posted by warock

NICE ONE ARBY!
definatly focusing on this method for the next month. I have a few questions...
1) Is it ok to wake up with an alarm clock?
2) Should i stay still and keep my eyes shut after waking or can i take a quick leek?
3) What sleeping position is best to induce a VILD?
4) How many hours into my sleep should i wake up, the usuall 5-6?

To get good answers to those questions, it would probably be best to talk to a DEILD expert as I typically pay very little attention to those sorts of details.

what I can say is:

alarm clock can easily ruin your chance of getting back into a dream easily

go ahead and walk around a bit as long as you don't really "wake up" to do so.

Sleep however you are comfortable - you don't want to feel your real body

ARBY YOU ARE A GOD
after reading your tutorial yesterday i set my alarm clock 4 and a half hours into my sleep, waking me at my REM period. After putting my alarm off and going to the bathroom, I lay still in my bed imagining my room in the morning.
after 5-15 minutes i found my self standing in my room in broad day light.
The dream lasted a few seconds long but i was fully lucid. After waking i lay still again and pictured the scenario you described in your tutorial. Soon i was standing in a lush forest. apperantly hiding from a man. When he eventually found me i tried to rape him dont ask why(im straight btw). After that dream i woke up again repeted the same process and this time pictured my school. I ended up in my school cafeteria and i was stealing 10 euros from a snack machine but my bro caught me, i should have done better things with my time but in that dream i was only semi-lucid. After waking up AGAIN i pictured my school a second time. This time i found myself walking by the school gate where a circus took place. The whole place was covered in plants and HUGE green vines. This was the most lucid and vivid dream of all the ones i had so far. An old lady was crossing the street so i decided to complete the months basic task by asking an old granny if i was ignorant to which she replyed yes.
I was satisfied with this answer as i still wanted to do other things before it ended. Then i remembered the months advanced task. But in the dream i thought it was to levitate a ginipig. so i walked around the circus for a bit and found a clown telling me to play this game.
The goal of the game was to lift up these pots that had different pigs in them, i found a ginipip in the 3rd pot but wasn't able to levitate it, then the dream came to an end. The amount of adventure i had that night was overwhelming.
I had as much LD's with that VILD last night than WILDS since October.
Great work arby definatly the most helpful guide i have read yet, WELL DONE!

hey arby I was wondering if what Im exp is VILD:

well I usually wake up 15mins before I need to wake up for school to either go back to bed or get a early start on the day. This is after aboult 7 to 8hrs of sleep. I would wake up, turn my cellphone alarm off and close my eyes to go back to sleep( my mom usually wakes me up at the rigth time I need to anyways.) What happens is a whole bunch of thoughts come into my mind. But then somehow Im able to start seeing this vividly to the point that I get dazed. To best explain this is when you daydream and you get to the point that you start seeing things you didnt even think off happen. Here's an example:

I wake up and go back to sleep. Then the thought of taking a piss usually happens. Then soon I imagine ( without intention most of the time but in my mind I get up physically) myself walking up to the bathroom and taking a piss but then I would wake up in the middle of the piss in my bed. Which I think could be a VILD or maybe even a FA. But I was up a minute ago. Another example is when I was thinking aboult my friend not texting me back so afterwhile I did decide to check it and I got a text of my friend being stupid LOL I even sent one in return. Then I went back to bed but woke up a minute later due to my mom waking me up. I woke up checked my phone and The text wasnt there
another would be when I was thinking aboult playing my psp and afterwhile I decided to get out of bed and get my psp from my cabinet. But the laziness got the best of me so I put it back and I went back to bed. I woke up and remebered MY FREAKING PSP WAS UPSTAIRES!! so how did I grab it??

This is very confusing me because sometimes this does happen when I daydream to the point that Im in my own world. Sorry this is so long, I just got back my comp lol been typing on my psp . Anyways I hope you can help me Arby and great job

Originally Posted by warock

ARBY YOU ARE A GOD
Great work arby definatly the most helpful guide i have read yet, WELL DONE!

congrats

Originally Posted by lonestarx

hey arby I was wondering if what Im exp is VILD:

Na, thats sounds like its just normal dreams. a VILD is where you consciously incubate the dream to some extent. The keyword there being consciously.

thx i will definately try this!

Hey I always fall asleep...how long do you wake up for?

For some reason, I can visualize better with my eyes open. But then I can't go into a dream. Hmm, suggestions?

Originally Posted by hootman

Hey I always fall asleep...how long do you wake up for?

You mean at DEILD time? Usually you go right back to sleep. And you don't want to "not fall asleep" You simply want to fall asleep in a controlled way and with awareness. Concentrate more on staying lucid as you drift off if need be =)

Originally Posted by Venomblood

For some reason, I can visualize better with my eyes open. But then I can't go into a dream. Hmm, suggestions?

If you can visualize well with your eyes open, you're probably only a step away from being able to do it with your eyes closed. Although, I must say that you are a strange case. Most people are the other way around =O.

Anyway, try to bring up a visualization with your eyes open then, once it's fairly stable, close your eyes. See if that works for you =)

Originally Posted by arby

After a short while, it should feel much easier to maintain. In fact, you may not even have to think about it at all to keep everything running! Now, DO NOT DO ANYTHING DARASTIC!

Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I think you might want to fix DRASTIC.
btw: This guide is great!

I hate you and I slept with your mom last night!
jk
nice guide! I'll try this tonight and over the Easter break

this question has kind of been asked a few times but mine is a little different.

i have a pretty bad recall and i usually do not remember my dream when i wake up to do WBTB. so DEILD is out of the question. with this, would you get out of bed before VILDing or would you recommend staying in bed and just start visualizing?

excellent!! One question though
I have a hard time imagining the feel of something. I can get visuals and sound very easily, I just have a hard time with imagining the way things feel. Did you already mention the exercise you had for us if we weren't good at that? Cause if you did I think I missed it. If not I would like to know how I can get better at it.

wow i tried this last BEFORE i even went to sleep and made it to the vibrations and 10 seconds of paralysis (intensely) setting in through the visualization alone, damn didn't think it work that well. I didn;t drop into a lucid but i hadn't slept at all yet so REM was unlikely anyway. It was a very intense paralysis though, my pulse was like BAM BAM BAM, hahah. I had been visualizing a scene on my campus lawn and kept adding tactile details, and then i visualized a girl walking by with a book bag, and right then the bag had a green apple on the side, and this green apple design hadnt been added by me, thats when the paralysis started. Neat stuff, I'll try it again.

While reading your tut I started visualizing the lake you wrote about. But since I had trouble vizualizing the mountains and the smell of the lake. I imagined myself standing in front of the sea, wind blowing through my hair and the fresh sea air... It was really fantastic!
But I have a question. When I imagine myself touching something e.g. an apple it feels as if there is another me whom is doing all that and sending me the feeling. It's really odd. Does everyone feel like that?
Anyway I'll try it out tonight.

Where I read about the VILD technique, it went further and said that it helps to figure out a scenario that helps you become lucid like meeting someone at the lake to tell you that you're dreaming or to tell you to do a reality check. My scenario is at my girlfriends house and I'm standing outside her door and she tells me that I'm dreaming and opens the door. Then as soon as I go through the door I enter a Lucid Dream. I want to actually go through the scenario with her and film it too so I can get a more detailed feel of what it should be like. Then I can watch the footage over and over.

( My girlfriend will think I'm crazy )

I just finished reading.
It was a very enjoyable read, surprisingly enough. This may end up becoming what I read before I attempt WILDs at 5:30 in the morning.
Great visualization, great feel for the whole thing.
Thanks a whole lot.

Thanks Arby! I've been working on a new method of straight to bed technique, and this definitely helped.