Thread: The Real (Easy) Way To WILD

Originally Posted by Sean999

There comes a point where you suddenly feel very light. You want the opposite to happen. At this point, you want to induce heaviness. Once you do, you should enter SP almost instantly (at least, that's what happens to me).

What do you mean with inducing heaviness? How are you supposed to do that?

Originally Posted by Iamerik

What do you mean with inducing heaviness? How are you supposed to do that?

That's impossible to explain. It's to do with your mind. Believe yourself getting heavier... it's just impossible to explain that.

Well, actually, you jsut explained it. All you do is imagine yourself getting heavier.

Here's a tip: Imagine large sand bags (or any heavy objects) are tied to your legs, ankles, etc. That should do it. Your body should actually start to feel heavy.

Well I guess this worked. Although I didn't feel light or heavy, and I also moved. But I got into SP and then into a lucid.

I tried to Wild today with this in mind and something funny happend...

First I tried to get 100% in sleeping, not in Wild, mood. I tried to sleep like every day and to forget everyting else. After a few minutes I got really tired and then every few seconds I thought of something to stay awake. It was nothing special, but then I wanted to stop and looked at the clock, 1 hour has passed, but it feld like 5 minutes and I'm not sure if I was sleeping for this time or not. Now I would explain it like the feeling of a reset or something, because I'm feeling like after 2 hours of sleep, at the same time my head feels like it would explode...

I've got a question. How do you not fall asleep instantly? When I'm tired (or I'm in bed), my subconscious takes over my conscious. Random thoughts fill my brain, similar to dreams, then I'm asleep.

How long does it take to fall into SP? I remember doing it for half an hour or so and still no vibrations.

Originally Posted by Namwan

How long does it take to fall into SP? I remember doing it for half an hour or so and still no vibrations.

It really depends. Sometimes I can go into SP within minutes, othertimes, like last night, it can take upwards of 2 Hours or more. Another thing to take into account is, many people experience SP differently. So while one person may experience vibrations, another may experience very little, if anything.

Try doing this to get an idea of what SP could be like for you:

As soon as you wake up, try to go back to sleep, and just when you think your about to fall asleep, think of something to keep your mind active. If you time it right, your body can fall into SP, and at the same time, you can re-activate your mind and keep it awake and experience the SP. I did that last night, but kept timing it wrong.

So I tried a WBTB last night/early this morning, but I could not for the life of me concentrate on anything. So ended up falling asleep about ten seconds after I woke up. I had a lot of cool dreams, but no lucids.

I tried the technique for real this morning around 9:30 AM. I like it! I found it's so much easier to just let the mind wander. I kept it in check slightly though by giving myself a topic. I merely asked myself: what do I want to dream about? and my mind was off. The mind wandering made me tired very fast and my body felt like a dead weight about five minutes into it. I started to get vibrations and then....RING RING! I forgot to turn my damn phone on silent.

*secretly plots to kill boyfriend for interrupting her LDing*

Anyway, I tried it yet again this afternoon. Pretty much the same thing as above. I got to the vibrations and I was thinking to myself, "Yes! This is it! About to enter dreamland!" but as the vibrations ebbed away, nothing came to my mind's eye - no dream appeared. I suppose I gave up after that because I was pretty tired - lol. And then I had a pretty freaky dream that I'll be recalling on my blog pretty soon.

Can you help me point out what I've done wrong or anything that might help? For the WBTB, I'm pretty sure I have to find a way to initially wake my mind up like a dose of caffeine or something...

Originally Posted by kaeraz

Anyway, I tried it yet again this afternoon. Pretty much the same thing as above. I got to the vibrations and I was thinking to myself, "Yes! This is it! About to enter dreamland!" but as the vibrations ebbed away, nothing came to my mind's eye - no dream appeared. I suppose I gave up after that because I was pretty tired....

Thats the problem I have, I can reach the Vibrations, but for some reason, have a real hard time transitioning into the actual dream from there.

Is there any WILD tips for starting the Hypnogogic Imagery after you get to SP?

I'll try this.

However, I'll do my best at overcoming the fact that I fall asleep during my thinking...

I tried it a couple of hours ago after WBTB for about an hour but nothing happened. There's a point where my eyes move back and forth and I breathe really hard but then it stops and I don't go beyond that. However, I got my second lucid dream after I fell asleep ^-^

How I did:

1. Fall asleep for about 5 hours. Yup, I did that. I slept about 5 hours and 20 minutes...

2. Wake up. Yop, I woke up. But I didn't remember my dreams at all

3. Get back in bed and just relax. Yeah, I did that.

4. When I'm good and relaxed, I get into a position that I usually fall asleep in, which is on my stomach. I did. No doubt.

5. Now, I just think about things. Anything (I stray away from sexual thoughts for obvious reasons). It doesn't take much effort. It's important not to move, like most WILD techniques. Swallow when you need to. I did this as well, as well as I could.

6. There comes a point where you suddenly feel very light. I must have fallen asleep before that...

Ok, so night number went bad. I fell asleep for around 7 hours, woke up, and attempted the method. I must've been pretty tired, because I just fell asleep within minutes, woke up an hour later, tried again, and then again, just fell asleep lol.

Guess I'll just have to wait and see what tomorrow morning brings

Sorry for the lack of activity on my part guys, been busy the past day or so.

Thanks for answering some of the questions, The Tao, it's been a big help. I'm also glad to hear that people have had success with this method. I'll try to answer as many questions as I can.

Venomblood: It's possible that you are not staying up long enough, or not controlling your thoughts consciously enough. To help you out, you can try to do math problems in your head until you feel like your mind has woken up a bit. It also takes persistence if you want to succeed.

Namwan: The Tao answered this very well, couldn't have said it better myself. But if you find that you are constantly staying up for long periods of time, you may want to consider just staying in bed once you wake up. Not even getting up to write in your journal (it's a sacrifice, I know).

kaeraz and The Tao: When I get the vibrations/sensations of movement, I concentrate on them rather than the dream. Really feel them, go with them. Your mind usually makes up the dream on it's own, so it's not really required to visualize a dream. Unless you really want a specific location, of course. Try that, see if it works.

Holiace: Like stated earlier, you may or may not feel any sensations at all. If nothing happens for a while, try inducing heaviness anyway. This can help speed up the process if it takes a really long time.

Again, glad to hear about the successes. Heck, glad to hear people are trying it out. I wish everyone good luck, and feel free to continue posting questions.

Well, what am i suppose to do when i'm in SP?
Last night i did WBTB + trying to WILD.
I got the feeling of heaviness and got into SP, but nothing happends after that.
I stayed still for a long time, and then got out of SP.

My biggest problem is falling asleep. I guess I can use it to my advantage, but it will only be through a lot of trial and error.

Anyway, giving this a shot, though I won't get much sleep tonight, so failrate is relatively high

Originally Posted by Sean999

I've WILD'ed the past two nights in a row. They were my first two intentional WILD's, and they were very easy. I wish I had known how to do it the right way before, because I'd probably have hundreds of WILD's by now.

BillyBob, some other people, and I were discussing WILD's, and how to do them. BillyBob said, "The objective is not to stay awake, but to fall asleep." At first I found this confusing, but then I knew it was very obvious. I know there are others that share the same point of view, so it wasn't just BillyBob.

This technique is no different than falling asleep. Well, there's a small difference. You have to keep a part of your mind conscious. The easiest way to do this is to control your train of thought and imagination. Not enough to keep you awake, but not too little to fall asleep unconsciously.

Here's what I do:

1. Fall asleep for about 5 hours.
2. Wake up, write my dreams down, and use the bathroom if I really need to (not necessary if you feel fine).
3. Get back in bed and just relax.
4. When I'm good and relaxed, I get into a position that I usually fall asleep in, which is on my stomach.
5. Now, I just think about things. Anything (I stray away from sexual thoughts for obvious reasons). It doesn't take much effort. It's important not to move, like most WILD techniques. Swallow when you need to.
6. There comes a point where you suddenly feel very light. You want the opposite to happen. At this point, you want to induce heaviness. Once you do, you should enter SP almost instantly (at least, that's what happens to me).
7. Let SP play itself out, and you should be in a dream. Do a reality check. If it's not a dream, just try again. Like other WILD techniques, it's easy to get back to the point just before failure.

The problem with all WILD techniques is that there is a very fine line between failing and succeeding. Imagine you have a ball in your hand. In front of you is a line that you must roll the ball onto. If you roll too hard, the ball goes too far. If you don't push hard enough, the ball stops short. That's exactly how a WILD is. Fortunately, once you understand what is going on, it's as easy as falling asleep.

EDIT: Almost forgot something. The only reason this (or any other technique) would be hard is if you have a doubtful or negative view of it. The thing with lucid dreaming is that it is easy. You just have to have the right state of mind.

EDIT 2: FreeOne brought up a good point I forgot to mention. Obviously, the steps I take might not work for some of you. Tailor it to suit yourself, but keep the core of it there. Fall asleep, but remain conscious.

Helpful Tips:

• When you go to bed at night, there are two things that are trying to get to sleep: your mind, and your body. In order for a successful WILD, your body needs to require sleep. So, the day before your attempt, I recommend doing some exercise/physical activity. This also means that you spend less time waiting to enter SP. About an hour of exercise is good.
• To help yourself induce the feeling of heaviness, imagine sand bags (or other heavy objects) are being tied to your joints. This should make it easier to induce the heaviness and speed up the process.
• I feel that it's better to concentrate on the vibrations and movement brought on my SP. Leave the dream creation up to your mind to create. However, it may not work any better for you, but I find it helps to enter the dream.
• If the process seems to be taking too long, induce the heaviness anyways. It's possible that there's no indication for you that you are about to enter SP. This should also help speed up the process (as stated earlier)

Thoughts? Comments?

You mentioned "Just trying to fall asleep" while keeping yourself awake only very little. This seems to Connect to the "Passive Awareness" I've heard people speak of before.I've only NEARLY had a WILD 5 times, but otherwise allways ended up either falling asleep unconsciously or Staying awake

Can you, or anyone else, get a little more specific into explaining this "Passive Awareness"? .

Passive Awareness is used as a form of dream control. It, along with Forced Control, is explained in BillyBob's thread here.

I think it has nothing to do with WILD'ing, but if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me. Hope that clears it up.

Hrrm... I've having troubles again lol. I cannot get even into SP now . I tried FILD after I failed the WILD method a couple times, and that didn't work either.

I've actually just thought of something this morning that might make a difference. Rather than just control your thoughts, try to be a bit more aware of you body. At least, do so when you are very relaxed and are starting to feel a bit numb from lying still. Try to notice how heavy it feels, what mild sensations are there. This should also help with inducing heaviness.

I haven't tried it out yet, it's just a hunch. I'll edit the main post if it proves helpful. Feel free to try it out if your timezone is ahead of mine.

Originally Posted by Sean999

Passive Awareness is used as a form of dream control. It, along with Forced Control, is explained in BillyBob's thread here.

I think it has nothing to do with WILD'ing, but if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me. Hope that clears it up.

Well you said in order to WILD one should Try to "Just Fall asleep" (Passive) while remaining some level of consciousness (awareness). So in order not to fall asleep unconscious and, also, not to keep your self awake you should remain Conscious in a Passive way.

I just wouldn't have a Clue of how exactly to do that. I have found it pretty much impossible to "Quiet my Mind", to stay "Detatched from my thoughts and not get carried along in them" or to remain consciously aware of them. Any tips?

I don't know where you're getting all this "Passive Awareness" stuff from. It has nothing to do with this technique. You're just over-complicating things.

Have you ever just sat there, day dreaming? It's pretty much like that. Just have some control over your thoughts, and you should enter SP soon enough.

Has this worked every night?
What's YOUR progress?