Thread: Will this work?

This is essentially what I've been trying to master on and off for a long time, it depends on how good your visualization ability is, I'd try to help you out on how to visualize well, but I'm kind of never stuck with any single idea for very long (my private journal is full of my ideas about it), I'm pretty certain you'll improve after awhile though, and I'm pretty sure memory has something to do with visualizations, I can go into detail if you'd like.

Thanks, LucidDreamGod.

"and I'm pretty sure memory has something to do with visualizations, I can go into detail if you'd like."

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Do you mean previous memories to use, or memory of dreams? I think by being extremely tired, and then having a really powerful mental image, could transtition pretty easily.

Don't forget to put something about a reality check in there. I don't just want to enter my dream of choice, but be lucid in that dream! Visualize yourself doing a reality check in that scene. :3

Originally Posted by DorjeDarby

Thanks, LucidDreamGod.

"and I'm pretty sure memory has something to do with visualizations, I can go into detail if you'd like."

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Do you mean previous memories to use, or memory of dreams? I think by being extremely tired, and then having a really powerful mental image, could transtition pretty easily.

First memory is not something that you had to experience in the past, memory was important in evolution not only in the fact that it allowed an organism to learn from its past memory's, but create new imagined experiences through putting together multiple pieces of a bunch of different memories (none of which you need to know where it came from, a single image could contain thousands of pieces of past memories). Now none of that information would need to be realized, but it helps in understand visualization, its basically recalling an experience that never happened.

Please don't get mixed up in what I said, I just told you how I think it works, not how it is done (although you should recall the imagined image in the same manner as if it were a real memory). Now well visualizing its important to keep at it and don't let your imagination fade, it might be a bit challenging at first but the mind works like a river once it starts flowing on visualizations you'll get more and more images that come. Think about what you want to see when you first start, later on ideas seem to come to you almost automatically, just keep using the ideas if they come to you, opens up your subconscious thought streams. Don't just forget about something if you can't see it, like your imagining yourself walking through a hallway and the windows aren't there or theres no doors, keep trying to make them be there, and even when their there don't settle for even that, try to re visualize them on top of the ones you just created, its like when you remember a dream, when you have an amount of information you keep looking at that piece of memory, to see if you can expand on it, it works with any visualized scene too, you have no real memory to work from but for some reason the mind is able to expand on that idea of any given object and make it seem more real, of course this occasionally backfires and you start again, but practice is the only way to the top.

I realize you may not fully understand this, it helps me to write this stuff out, so I can get better at explaining it. If you didn't then just try your best, after all most people are either good or bad at it.

wow LucidDreamGod you know a LOT

that is exactly what im trying to do
using one of the most important places in my life that i can visualize in its entirety without any effort

Jeezus he does. It makes me think that there is a lot more to what I'm gonna try. I guess the visualization will be a lot harder.

Originally Posted by Abra

Don't forget to put something about a reality check in there. I don't just want to enter my dream of choice, but be lucid in that dream! Visualize yourself doing a reality check in that scene. :3

When you say this, do you mean something like visualize a poster that says "Are You Dreaming", or do you mean in my head, I'd visualize myself checking my appearance, the time, etc?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by ladoys

wow LucidDreamGod you know a LOT

Thank you, I'd like to think that, but sometimes I'm paranoid as to if people think what I say is too personal and abstract a thing, too exclusive to me to understand, but I also worry that someone who truly believes visualization is as important as I think it is, would hopefully get something out of it, so I like to put it out there.

Originally Posted by DorjeDarby

Jeezus he does. It makes me think that there is a lot more to what I'm gonna try. I guess the visualization will be a lot harder.

If you think you might have some trouble visualizing that may be true, but I've been told that it doesn't take very long to master, it may be done in acouple of weeks if you are constant (not to say you need it, you could probably wbtb wild quite a bit before mastery), I have lost motivation over the time I have studied it, and am so sick of visualization sometimes, that I just can't focus properly, that is probably why I havn't reached a very high level even after such a long time. (though it does get entertaining when you get good)

But its definitly worth it, the thing that it all comes down to is there are two things in a technique that makes it worth while, one is that it has some chance of making you lucid, and the other is that it is impovable. Visualization shows signs of improvement, so it has potential, and it wouldn't be worth anything if it didn't have it's uses, it will help keep your mind busy, to keep it conscious but not have any goal of any kind. Or if it must, will trick your mind into beliveing that your imagination is the true reality, thus switching your focus outside in .

On top of all that, it is great to see that you can actually force yourself to hallucinate to some degree, sometimes late at night, I was able to partly hallucinate what I imagined, I called this rendering, when the image would reach a stage were it felt as if part of it was in my visual field.

Originally Posted by DorjeDarby

When you say this, do you mean something like visualize a poster that says "Are You Dreaming", or do you mean in my head, I'd visualize myself checking my appearance, the time, etc?

Thanks.

Exactly.. The key to having a WILD and enhancing lucid experiences lies in visualization. But the key to having DILDs and MILDs relies on observing surroundings, and trying to carry the idea that you will recognize you will be dreaming into the dream world.

When you do your visualizations, make your own dream scenario. Then have an awkward event happen that causes you to question the dream as reality. Also another thing that helps, is simply repeating to yourself that you WILL have a lucid dream over and over again, no visualization required. You have to actually mean the words, and not just mindlesly say them.

Thank you both. So from what I can understand, that VILDing WILDing both take a lot more practice, yet having a DILD takes a lot more time, because I have to learn to recognize dream signs.

Which do most people prefer?

WILD all the way, ultimate control