Thread: What Every Lucid Dreamer Should Know About Sleep Paralysis

:bravo::bravo::bravo: Bravo, bravo!!! Very well done, great sources, and well presented, it states the facts nicely

Hmm, peer review... presentation-wise, it looks like a huge block of text. I was totally motivated to read it, but my normal response to things like this is " omg do I really have to read all that?" Maybe add some color, differentiate between the headings, that could make it a bit more digestible.

Also, I don't see a lot of noobs reading this in depth, especially not the younger ones or those who aren't used to the sciences or any other instances where they are reading things like this often. Maybe make a dup copy of it, the sort of 'dumbed down' version if you will.

I think pictures could help. Maybe a diagram of a sleep cycle, showing where you should be expecting these things to occur. In fact if you'd like, I could help work on something like this. I am not exactly ace with sleep cycles, but as far as coming up with little image and presenting it, that I would definitely love to do.


and thank you for the acknowledgment! Both here and in general. Most of the time my ideas and suggestions go unheeded, so it is refreshing to see that someone took one to heart and did such a fantastic job!!!

Originally Posted by Shift

:bravo::bravo::bravo: Bravo, bravo!!! Very well done, great sources, and well presented, it states the facts nicely

Thanks a lot, Shift!

Hmm, peer review... presentation-wise, it looks like a huge block of text. I was totally motivated to read it, but my normal response to things like this is " omg do I really have to read all that?" Maybe add some color, differentiate between the headings, that could make it a bit more digestible.

Also, I don't see a lot of noobs reading this in depth, especially not the younger ones or those who aren't used to the sciences or any other instances where they are reading things like this often. Maybe make a dup copy of it, the sort of 'dumbed down' version if you will.

I totally see your point, and I was kind of worried about this when I wrote it. This is why I tried to separate the text into two levels consisting of the main article and the notes and references, in the hope that most people would at least read the first part. Maybe I could try to make the main text more compact and move more stuff into the notes and references section.

I think pictures could help. Maybe a diagram of a sleep cycle, showing where you should be expecting these things to occur. In fact if you'd like, I could help work on something like this. I am not exactly ace with sleep cycles, but as far as coming up with little image and presenting it, that I would definitely love to do.

Sounds good to me, if you want to do it.

As "Sleep paralysis" is one of the terms, which are often misused, we could somehow propagate knowledge about it in noob section and also in attaining lucidity section. It could be wise to make this one temporary sticky topic here in attaining lucidity section, so the people here get used to all modalities of this term more easily.

If that happens, i am prepared to raise term Sleep paralysis from Misused words category into possibly confusing category in this list:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67851

Originally Posted by adraw

As "Sleep paralysis" is one of the terms, which are often misused, we could somehow propagate knowledge about it in noob section and also in attaining lucidity section. It could be wise to make this one temporary sticky topic here in attaining lucidity section, so the people here get used to all modalities of this term more easily.

If that happens, i am prepared to raise term Sleep paralysis from Misused words category into possibly confusing category in this list:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67851

mwahahahaha, everything is going perfectly to plan!!!
No seriously I think that's a great idea

Excellent post, Thor. I learned quite a bit.

Well organized, easily readable, and very informative. Nicely done.

I just have one question that's been bothering me. If we can dream and LD in stages 1 and 2, wouldn't we act out our movements in real life during those stages since we aren't in REM atonia at the time? Or am I missing something?

An very interesting and informative read. Thanks for taking the time.

Some people would label this discussion as just semantics

You got me pegged!

Yet I still don't see the issue with laymen calling Rem Atonia Sleep Paralysis. I also suspect that its not something which is going to change. As you noted yourself, some people distinguish between SP and "the hag" condition by using the phrase "isolated sleep paralysis" for the scary kind. So its not just the dream views community.

Sense 1: Why Would LDers Want Sleep Paralysis as in REM Atonia?

Because its seen as a route to Lucid Dreaming?

The prevalent hypothesis is that sleep paralysis is REM atonia that has somehow been activated outside of REM sleep

Having your body fall asleep whilst your mind is awake?
Isn't that laberges exact definition of Sleep Paralysis?
Isn't that what causes the Condition "Isolated Sleep Paralysis."
Does this not suggest that it is indeed quite possible to be in SP and
be awake?

I think distinction between HH and SP is a good one though.

Originally Posted by John11

Well organized, easily readable, and very informative. Nicely done.

I just have one question that's been bothering me. If we can dream and LD in stages 1 and 2, wouldn't we act out our movements in real life during those stages since we aren't in REM atonia at the time? Or am I missing something?

I can see why people would believe that. If atonia is needed to keep ourselves from acting out our dreams in REM sleep, then why wouldn't it be needed in non-REM sleep? The answer is that's just the way it is. But keep in mind that the brain in REM sleep is very different from in non-REM sleep (cf. note 8). Anyway it's a legitimate question, so I'll try to answer it in the next version.