Thread: Do you tell fibs about having LDs?

Originally Posted by arby

Huh, This reeks of failure by placebo and different mental schematas.

I have no idea what the test is, though. And i'm pretty sure I could make up a good enough dream to fool you. I've seen people who have never been lucid before but make very convincing dreams just from pattern matching and synthesizing other's dreams.

I'm not challenging anyone to fool me. I'm telling you that if you take part in the test, you'll be wasting your time and mine if you try to fool me, because I'll catch you. So don't bother trying. I'm not interesting in weeding out fibbers but in getting results. The fact that I have to weed them out is a pain and is not something I want to have to do.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Oh, lots of people fib about having lucid dreams. And I agree, it's weird that people do that.

If you can't do my task, and you admit that you can't, then of course you'll be telling the truth. But if you can't do it and then you make up some nonsense about what supposedly happened in an LD you never really had, I won't be fooled. Clear now?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Once you've had a lot of LDs and you've talked to a lot of people who have had them, you recognize that what happens in them is reasonably consistent.

Oh, okay, that makes sense, now. I was confused. But yeah, I see what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

I do.
I have 2 more accounts on DV. Top secret of course.

Is one of those Maric?
Yeh yeh I know they're top secret....

Some of you are going to get the same task, and you don't need to be comparing notes.

Don't need to?
Ok but I want to (jk)

Ok I PM'ed him back and now I gotta wait because I wasn't sure of one of his spellings. Well I'll try it how I think it supposed to be anyway if I get lucid tonight or tomoro.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

if you can't do it and then you make up some nonsense about what supposedly happened in an LD you never really had, I won't be fooled. Clear now?

Pretty damn presumptuous assuming you can know the intimate details of another person's consciousness, don't ya think? Ever consider the fact that the rest of the human species isn't patterned after you?

You're saying that every great artist, writer, musician, etc., as well as every other wanker in the world, throughout the history of mankind, conforms to your dream process?

No one dreams any differently than you, oh no... you know everything about everyone's deepest layers of consciousness. I see that now. You said it, so it must be true.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Once you've had a lot of LDs and you've talked to a lot of people who have had them, you recognize that what happens in them is reasonably consistent. Especially when you're attempting to do something in a LD that someone else has already done.

"REASONABLY" consistent. Unlike you, I don't know much, but if there is one thing I have learned for sure in my time here in this mysterious and fascinating world we live in, it's that we humans are anything but reasonable, no matter how much we delude ourselves into believing so.

Yeh I agree with everything you said in that post Mad Stratter
However that's why I'm testing him. Seeing if has a leg to stand on.

I've PM'd. Very curious and definitely up for a challenge. I'm just getting back into LDing though so it might take me a while to achieve... :-)

Originally Posted by tommo

Is one of those Maric?
Yeh yeh I know they're top secret....

They are. And it's not Maric

I just got your message! yay! not sure about a few things hopefully u can clear them up for me lol

I PM'd him too, reluctantly...

I just don't understand why you would start a thread on a forum and require a PM for the information when you could just as easily post it here. He even admitted that many of us will get the same "task", and that it doesn't matter if we collaborate, so what harm could posting it here do.

I bet this guy is just malac under a pseudonym

What task did he give you?
I was thinking about just making something up to see if he could catch me out lol
But the task he gave me makes it too complicated to do. I don't think I could just randomly make up something for this.

I reckon we all have the same task. Just putting it out there.

I haven't heard back yet...

He's away till saturday

Can someone just forward me what he sent you then?

Yeh I was thinking about that. Just make sure that when you message him back with what you came up with you put the message I sent you so he knows what you're talking about lol.

I'll send it now.

Um...Who cares about what 1 pompous douchebag thinks about OUR dreams. "Truth Teller" "Fibber" wtf are you 10. Yea i lucid dream its true...dont believe me kill yourself and die in a fire plz k thx.

I might partake in this event.
Although Malac is a rascal, he is extremely intelligent. I was thinking about consulting him via either msn, yahoo, aim, ect. to discuss his whole showing there's no barrier between reality and my whole point to breaking out. I'll give you a PM tomorrow, that way I know I'll get an answer.

Originally Posted by anonymous

Um...Who cares about what 1 pompous douchebag thinks about OUR dreams. "Truth Teller" "Fibber" wtf are you 10. Yea i lucid dream its true...dont believe me kill yourself and die in a fire plz k thx.

You are very angry and disturbed and I am not sure why.
You do not need to post in this thread if you don't want to, but insulting people and making silly remarks is unnecessary.

If you don't want to take the test maybe you have something to hide? Are you sure you have ever had a LD?

Also the words "Truth Teller" & "Fibber" were used because;

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

if you say "liar," people get mad, and anger is usually not very constructive.

It was simply out of politeness.

Can you please PM me the instructions too? I'm quite intrigued. I've got a long way to go with my LDing though but I'm pretty good at achieving goals I set out to achieve when I get lucid. Thanks

Oh I have a really good quick question about this.

What if say one person who was taking the test had a completely different way of processing thoughts to others and this caused some sort of big difference in the results of the test?

I fowarded to you Dreamqueen. Again, make sure when you reply to him after you complete it that you tell him I forwarded my task to you.
Oh and BenTENDO I think he is trying to say that people don't have that big of a difference in processing thoughts. That's why he can tell if someone is lying.
Whether that's true or not has yet to be discovered. I think there's some truth in it though.

You can see from studies of identical twins. For instance this one child psychologist separated two identical twins at birth 11 years ago in a secret scientific study.
They got in touch just a couple of years ago or last year or something and they are almost the same in things they do and everything they have done. Like they both have the same job, followed the same paths etc.
I read this in a book so you could probably just search google for the study if you want.

But basically the point is that they did all these tests with non-identical and identical twins (to compare) and they all pointed to the fact that we really don't choose who we are, DNA was playing about 60% of a part if not more.
I forgot where I was going with this now....

EDIT: Ok disregard that, I have no idea why I said it.

Thanks Tommo! Jeepers it's gonna be tough remembering all that. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to. I'll have to try and memorise it thoroughly lol! :-)

Yeah I know lol, its hard. Especially because of the pronunciation thing. The good thing is I could remember it last night when I woke up in the middle of the night.

Oh yeah. Another thing I thought of adding which will have a point this time.

When people trip on certain hallucinogens, such as DMT especially it always seems to happen. They perceive the same sort of 'story line'. Like there is always a certain path it will take. If you get to a certain point you will meet the goddess of the plant for instance. She will guide you past your fears etc.

This guy at tafe said to me that when he was tripping on DMT he looked at this other guys hand and he said to his friend 'dude, do you see that' and he was like 'yeh his hand is like a girls hand' lol. They both saw the same thing.

So you see what I'm saying? Generally our brains seem to all interpret things in the same sort of way.
But it's true not EVERYBODY would be the same which is where I think this study will fall through.

I don't think my results will be the same. They could turn out completely weird and different, but maybe in it, it may still be obvious that it's a real LD.

I was going to try last night but I forgot the persons name & what I had to say

I'm going to try tonight, I think I have got the Twin Body thing working so I should be able to go straight into it with it fresh on my mind.