Thread: How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

Well said Mad Stratter

Originally Posted by oniman7

might seem a little far fetched... but hypnosis would work if it came from somebody experienced. For all the skeptics out there, hypnosis is more like forced placebo. You have to believe it will work, but then it does. I have heard that the hypnotist will tell you something like " When you fall asleep at night, you will see a button. Press that button and you will enter a lucid dream. ". Possibly something like that, but press the button NOT to have a lucid dream...? Also, you could hypnotize her just not to lucid dream at all.

Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

I've never been hypnotized, because I was admittedly very skeptical when I was ignorant about it's nature.

Now that I've come to understand the kinda of "forced placebo" nature of it, I've started to think that many it could be useful.

I second the hypnosis suggestion

Thanks for the support, and I hope that people ( especially The Moon ) will read this and take it to heart. It is one of the hardest to achieve, but also the most effective if done right. It works on a subconscious level, and it is hard to do that otherwise.

Originally Posted by oniman7

Thanks for the support, and I hope that people ( especially The Moon ) will read this and take it to heart. It is one of the hardest to achieve, but also the most effective if done right. It works on a subconscious level, and it is hard to do that otherwise.

id honestly like to believe it works, but i've never had it done to me before so who knows heh...

It most likely wouldn't work for you because you don't believe it does. Although, it is kind of like lucid dreaming. Trying to explain it to someone who has never experienced it is like trying to explain to a blind man the difference between red and purple. Even if the hypnosis itself doesn't work, it could easily be a good relaxation technique. If you would like to try it yourself, have your friend lay down and say " You are inside of a very tall building. There are 200 steps down. You go down to the first step. You are now on step 200. Now you are on step 199. Now you are on step 198..etc. " say it slowly, and in an almost emotionless voice ( deeper voices tend to work better ). No matter the results of the actual hypnosis, most people fall asleep by around step 70. Maybe your friend could fall into a deep enough sleep as to not have any control.
When I said it wouldn't work for you: I meant The moon, not you sylunea

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

Originally Posted by oniman7

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

She has not always been taken pills im sure...

Originally Posted by TheMoon

She has not always been taken pills im sure...

"I also live with pain daily from other difficulties. So I have the pill department covered" sounds to me like something that would suggest she has been taking pills for a while, but I would like to hear it from her. Also, I am just trying to find some reason why this would happen.

Originally Posted by oniman7

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

Right now it's just your basic Vicodin and anti-inflammatory (prescription Motrin). Garlic and Ginseng,and I'm a faithful believer in green tea, lol.
Also some... *whispers* stool softeners because of a lower intestine surgery.
That's it, I'm not a big chemical fanatic. I'm a country girl, so I do my own cooking, gardening, canning. No preservatives or addatives in my foods. I do drink coffee and I'll have a Pepsi when I won't get caught drinking it... Which isn't very often. my boys try to take care of me when I'll let 'em. lol.

Well, a lot of fruits and vegetables have a large amount of vitamins that can cause lucid dreaming. Do you eat a lot of chocolate? I've heard that can effect dreaming. Also, the green tea might be influencing something, along with the ginseng. It's more natural stuff that can cause lucid dreams. How about vitamins in pill form? do you take those?

Hello all *waves shyly* I'm the one TheMoon has posted about.
I'm new to the forum scene... any forum, and quite... shy. So I'll do my best to reply to your statements and inquiries. And, I'd like to thank all of you for your help.
TheMoon is the only person I have had an actual conversation with about my dreams. So it feels kinda odd doing this, I hope you'll bear with me. I apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge in this area.

I didn't mean to complain about my dreams, to the contrary, we were just discussing the topic, and I happened to mention that I would love just to be able to lay down and go to sleep and have the darkness envelope me for a good 8 hours more than once a week, instead of waking up in my dreams all night long.
I "wake up" in my dreams, or enter them, knowing that I'm dreaming. I've tried so many different things, before sleep, and inside the dreams; to get myself out of them, or to keep from having them period. I've actually went to bed in my dream, only to dream inside the dream. Like a false awakening. I've chanted mantras, and tried meditation. Believing that I would not wake up in my dreams.
The last year or so has been the worst. I will wake up just as tired as I was when I went to bed. Mentally. My body feels refreshed, but my mind is sluggish, like I need to lay back down for a few hours. I haven't really had a regular sleep schedule, ever, but it was never really a problem. Exercise is another thing. I lead a pretty active life, cleaning, gardening, walking to classes, taking care of my nephews, and doing what's necessary to survive in the world.
Earlier this year I was in a car accident... (got hit by a beer truck... talk about irony.) It tore me up pretty good. I also live with pain daily from other difficulties. So I have the pill department covered. I still wake up in my dreams... unless I'm drinking with my vicodin... then I just pass out, and don't remember my dreams, lol. I've also tried the Tylenol pm/antihistamine suggestion.. same result.
Gosh, I feel like I'm writing a very boring book *sheepish grin*.
I like the idea of hypnotism. I haven't tried that, but I would be willing to look into it.

I love my lucid dreams. I love dreaming, period. (minus my Nightmare). I don't want to stop completely, but I would love to actually sleep and wake up refreshed and happy. I was wondering if this could perhaps be a control issue... Not a dream control issue, but ... gosh don't know how to phrase it. Sometimes I feel as if everything is slipping out of my grasp. Like I'm always one step ahead of complete disaster, and if I make one little mistake, it will all come crashing down around me. My nephews are my world. I adopted them almost two years ago, but I've been taking care of them their entire lives. I'm wondering if the trouble with my dreams could be the need to at least control completely some part of my life?

gosh! I'm so sorry for writing so much! Thanks for putting up with my ramblings. Sometimes it's hard to get myself to hush.
Thanks so much everyone.

~Syl

Originally Posted by Sylunea

I'm wondering if the trouble with my dreams could be the need to at least control completely some part of my life?
~Syl

This could also be it. It could be sort of a coping mechanism in your subconscious either trying to find a way to gain some control, or maybe to relax. Again, I wouldn't go off of any of these suggestions too seriously because I am just trying to find the roots of the problem right now. If we can identify a problem, I'm sure we can help fix it afterwards.

Sylunea

I wouldn't give up any of those fruits and veggies. They seem to have minimal effect on lucid dreaming (they're pretty much fully digested before you ever start dreaming, even if you eat right before bed), and the effects from, say, B6, seem to only be really significant in intermittent doses... lucidity wise, I don't that you're daily B6 is causing anything.

The health benefits from your diet far outweigh any effects they're having on your dreams.

Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

Sylunea

I wouldn't give up any of those fruits and veggies. They seem to have minimal effect on lucid dreaming (they're pretty much fully digested before you ever start dreaming, even if you eat right before bed), and the effects from, say, B6, seem to only be really significant in intermittent doses... lucidity wise, I don't that you're daily B6 is causing anything.

The health benefits from your diet far outweigh any effects they're having on your dreams.

Yeah id have to say the same. Not eating a balanced diet to prevent lucid dreaming doesn't sound like the best thing.

Just get her to read the thread and see what clicks.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Just get her to read the thread and see what clicks.

She's already here, genius.

I don't think that it has anything to do with your vitamin intake or daily exercise routine. You will find that elite athletes don't have a natural lucid dream process even though they have the best of both. Even if I am wrong by doing a simple task like I have given to you, or even the one Arne gave to you, it could be possible that you would find out the answer yourself.

You seemed to have gotten the wrong impression of Arne, people on these forums don't seem to like him because they don't understand what he is trying to achieve. The simple tasks which we can give you may be able to unlock something or help you out in a way, but you have to give us a chance first.

You might find that there is something in your dreams which you need to find out. Dreams come to people with a message, usually the person having the dream is the best analyser of what the dream actually means.

Next time you have a lucid dream try asking one of the dream characters (or it would be better if you could summon God or another form of yourself) to ask them what your lucid dreams are trying to tell you.

Do not try and control the dream characters at all, instead allow the dream to create the answer which they give to you.

I think that by summoning someone like this, or a natural character that is already in the dream, you should be able to get the answer that your body is trying to tell you straight away. Even if there is nothing that your body or mind is trying to tell you, you will not be at loss by trying it anyway. If you are a natural dreamer it should be easy for you to find time to do this task, just give it a shot the next time you go to sleep.

I hope my task does help you out, but I myself am not an expert at coming up with these tasks. Arne on the other hand comes with experience, but as I said whenever he tries to suggest something on the forum all he gets are personal attacks from random people who are not even here to give advise.

Originally Posted by benTENDO

I don't think that it has anything to do with your vitamin intake or daily exercise routine. You will find that elite athletes don't have a natural lucid dream process even though they have the best of both. Even if I am wrong by doing a simple task like I have given to you, or even the one Arne gave to you, it could be possible that you would find out the answer yourself.

You seemed to have gotten the wrong impression of Arne, people on these forums don't seem to like him because they don't understand what he is trying to achieve. The simple tasks which we can give you may be able to unlock something or help you out in a way, but you have to give us a chance first.

You might find that there is something in your dreams which you need to find out. Dreams come to people with a message, usually the person having the dream is the best analyser of what the dream actually means.

Next time you have a lucid dream try asking one of the dream characters (or it would be better if you could summon God or another form of yourself) to ask them what your lucid dreams are trying to tell you.

Do not try and control the dream characters at all, instead allow the dream to create the answer which they give to you.

I think that by summoning someone like this, or a natural character that is already in the dream, you should be able to get the answer that your body is trying to tell you straight away. Even if there is nothing that your body or mind is trying to tell you, you will not be at loss by trying it anyway. If you are a natural dreamer it should be easy for you to find time to do this task, just give it a shot the next time you go to sleep.

I hope my task does help you out, but I myself am not an expert at coming up with these tasks. Arne on the other hand comes with experience, but as I said whenever he tries to suggest something on the forum all he gets are personal attacks from random people who are not even here to give advise.

You make sense. But you're off topic.