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      Quote Originally Posted by Mortalis View Post
      The feeling I (Yes thor I said I, I know you don't experience it!) experience as I'm falling asleep in a WILD is that I can't move...as if I'm *Gasp* paralyzed! And you know what..I happen to be about to fall asleep....what should I call that...ummmm... Sleep paralysis! Its almost like I'm calling something a name which matches how it feels, and I've spoken with other people who have felt it...can you guess what they called it?
      I never said that there aren't people who get sleep paralysis in the sense of a disorder, but the percentage is low.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      I never said that there aren't people who get sleep paralysis in the sense of a disorder, but the percentage is low.
      What are you saying then?
      What exactly are you arguing about?
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      Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
      What are you saying then?
      What exactly are you arguing about?
      If you read my article on sleep paralysis you would know that I have taken sleep paralysis as a disorder into account. I even said that you could use this state to initiate lucid dreams from. What I'm arguing against are the following myths:
      • Myth 1: That it's possible to willfully induce REM atonia outside of REM sleep and that a large proportion of people who WILD regularly do this.
      • Myth 2: That it's normal to experience REM atonia in REM sleep.
      • Myth 3: That sensations like the lead blanket feeling, numbness, tingling, vibrations, etc. are symptoms of REM atonia occurring outside of REM sleep.

      I haven't seen any facts that support these ideas; hence I consider them myths.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      [*]Myth 1: That it's possible to willfully induce REM atonia outside of REM sleep and that a large proportion of people who WILD regularly do this.
      Good luck selling that one.


      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      [*]Myth 2: That it's normal to experience REM atonia in REM sleep.
      EH?!

      Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
      [*]Myth 3: That sensations like the lead blanket feeling, numbness, tingling, vibrations, etc. are symptoms of REM atonia occurring outside of REM sleep.
      WTF!



      All, it seems, based on the overwhelming evidence of your OPINON. And not much else.
      Last edited by moonshine; 12-11-2008 at 09:16 PM.
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      Well, obviously REM atonia describes muscle atonia during REM sleep, which of course is apparent to anyone in the name...It occurs during REM sleep...unless you sleep walk. However, muscle atonia is quite common in NREM, take a look at the study I've posted in another thread..it describes MAN (Muscle atonia in NREM) occuring more than 30% of the time during some sleep cycles.

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      Do we have to chase each other around the forum debating the same things over and over again? I'm getting a little tired of this. Lets all try to avoid posting the same stuff in every SP related thread, rekindling the same debate.

      EDIT: I made that a little less directed at just Thor. Sorry.
      Last edited by Robot_Butler; 12-11-2008 at 11:22 PM.

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