Anyone Successfull with Naps

[DannyBoy61]

I tried doing a search on naps, and peoples success, it was done in vain. I am trying to increase my chances, because just having early morning is quite limiting. Would a two hour nap during the day help, or does it not allow enough time for REM? Would it affect REM for the same night? I have heard about this REM rebound, yet I am unclear.... Thanks

[DpsBob]

From what I understand, you enter REM extremely fast during a two hour nap. Stephen LaBerge found that it was one of the easiest ways for him to enter an LD.

[nina]

There are many many threads about napping...I'm surprised you couldn't find anything? What did you search? REM rebound occurs when you don't get enough sleep...napping would have the opposite effect. (napping works, but just in a very different way, nothing to do with REM rebound)

[DannyBoy61]

I searched "Napping + REM" A lot of threads were brought up but did not cover Napping and success rates with LD's. Many of them talked about people taking naps and dream recall, or simply stating that they napped. My bad if my search wasn't as concise as it should have been, I know some people get quite irritated with repeat threads. I wasn't sure if you slept/napped and did not achieve REM, that when you did re-enter sleep that your REM would increase. So if you napped for two hours, did not enter REM, Upon going back to sleep your chances for lengthier REM periods and LD chances are increased? That's why I wanted to ask people about their experiences with napping.

[nina]

Your thread didn't irritate me...you'd know if it had ...I was just surprised you couldn't find anything. I know that I personally have made several threads about napping in the last few years, and have replied to many others. But I didn't realize you were searching for something so specific. I guess my question to you is...does it matter? You really cannot control whether you enter REM or not during a nap. So why would you nap, hoping that you don't enter REM, yet having no control over this...so that it might affect your REM later in the night? I use naps to enter lucid dreams directly. I think that napping during the day in the hopes of increasing your lucidity at night would be counterproductive. But that's a big assumption on my part, I really have nothing to back it up. Really, I'm not sure about REM that occurs while napping. I know I've read some threads on this forum about it though. I'll try to see if I can dig anything up for you.

[DannyBoy61]

Your thread didn't irritate me...you'd know if it had ...I was just surprised you couldn't find anything. I know that I personally have made several threads about napping in the last few years, and have replied to many others. But I didn't realize you were searching for something so specific. I guess my question to you is...does it matter? You really cannot control whether you enter REM or not during a nap. So why would you nap, hoping that you don't enter REM, yet having no control over this...so that it might affect your REM later in the night? I use naps to enter lucid dreams directly. I think that napping during the day in the hopes of increasing your lucidity at night would be counterproductive. But that's a big assumption on my part, I really have nothing to back it up. Really, I'm not sure about REM that occurs while napping. I know I've read some threads on this forum about it though. I'll try to see if I can dig anything up for you. I was thinking that if you napped that you were increasing your chances of possibly entering REM and having a LD. If you napped, it was just an opportunity to REM. If you don't enter REM during a nap, oh well...thought that might increase your chance of having REM during next sleep session. I wasn't sure what others felt about naps, whether they were successfully in achieving LD's during these short sessions or if they had better success during early mornings. I appreciate your help, anything that helps further the possibility of LD'ing the better

[nina]

A LOT of people have success with naps...just looks at all the threads about lucid dreams and naps. I think maybe you're thinking about it slightly backwards. The reason napping works is because it is like an extension of your REM cycle that occurs the night before. It is easiest to have lucid dreams in the morning or early afternoon hours. This is because your REM cycles occur at longer and longer intervals the longer you sleep. When you wake up in the morning, possibly interrupting a REM cycle...and then begin your day, and perhaps lay down 2 hours later to take a nap...your body sort of picks up where it left off and you can find yourself in a long REM cycle which produces some very amazing and vivid lucid dreams. Basically what I'm saying is that to use napping to induce LDs, which is a very popular method btw (b/c it works!)...just plan on napping within 4 hours of waking. Apparently after you've been awake longer than 4 hours, the potential to go back into a REM state and therefore lucid dream declines. It seems that napping about 2 hours after waking up in the morning produces the best results. Which is interesting, because that is exactly what I discovered for myself before I knew anything about lucid dreaming. I used to wake up at 8:30...and go to class from 9-11am. Then I would come back to my dorm room and take a nap until my next class at 1pm. I would usually always become lucid during these naps, and would spend at least an hour in and out of LDs. I called them marathon lucid naps, because the lucid dreams just continued on and on back to back, one after another...often times having to revisit SP and HI in between each one. Now...to address your question on REM rebound. If you are interested in utilizing REM rebound to achieve lucid dreams...then you need to deprive yourself of sleep. This doesn't have to be as dramatic as it sounds. It might be something as simple as, getting a few less hours of sleep than usual...maybe for a few nights. Then allow yourself to sleep as long as you want on the next night, and you will experience really strong REM rebound. Or if you want, stay up all night...and sleep the next day. REM rebound just means that your body/mind wasn't able to get enough REM sleep during the previous sleep cycles...and therefore has a huge rebound effect when you finally do get some sleep. Usually people will always become lucid or at least have very vivid dreams as a result of REM rebound. REM rebound/sleep dep is a good way to help increase your chances of becoming lucid during the night...but you can also use REM rebound in conjunction with napping to increase your chance of LDing during a nap. For instance, if you deprive yourself of a few hours of sleep at night...and then nap the next morning/afternoon, you would increase your chances of having an LD during the nap due to rebound. There are a lot of threads on the forum about sleep deprivation to LD, and REM rebound, in case you want more information...a quick search of the forum would probably help out a lot.

[Elem3nt0]

My only question is how long do you have to be awake for it to be considered a nap?

[nina]

My only question is how long do you have to be awake for it to be considered a nap? That is completely subjective...and I'm not sure how much it matters. I mean, whether you get lucid from a nap after being awake only 1 hour, or from sleeping in really late...you're still getting lucid for the same reason...the continuing REM cycle.

[Elem3nt0]

That is completely subjective...and I'm not sure how much it matters. I mean, whether you get lucid from a nap after being awake only 1 hour, or from sleeping in really late...you're still getting lucid for the same reason...the continuing REM cycle. Ok that makes sense. Thanks, just what i was lookin for

[DannyBoy61]

Thanks! That makes a lot more sense to me now.. Next time I'm in Christmas town I owe you a hug

[RAMIBE]

I tried to nap yesterday but could remember I dreamt but didn't know what I dreamt. It hasn't been 2 hours since I woke up yet so I'm going to try and see what happens. I'll get back to you with my results

[EspadaInMyCloset]

The last time I had an LD was when I napped, on Sunday, I think.

[C-Fonz]

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1LKhSF...be/ideas/naps/ I just actually found this page on stumbleupon today

[RAMIBE]

I didn't remember my dream when I napped

[Abra]

I wouldn't recommend depriving yourself of sleep as a lucid dreaming aid. It may work short-term, but long-term your life will suck. :x Find your base sleep need. Mine is 8.5 hours. Subtract 1.5 hours (one sleep cycle, including REM), and sleep for that long during the night. Take a 1.5 hour nap later.

[nina]

I didn't remember my dream when I napped I find stimulants to be very effective when napping. Caffeine for instance. I find it most successful to take the stimulant immediately before the nap...so that, depending on what you take, it will usually kick in 20-30 minutes after you lay down...and you're already asleep. When it kicks in, if I'm in a dream, I usually become lucid immediately without waking up...and if I'm not yet in a dream I usually become aware that I am in SP or HI and about to enter a LD and pretty much experience the same thing as a WILD. For the record, I used to use ephedra for this, not caffeine. Well actually it was Metabolife (when that stuff was still legal lol), and it had ephedra AND caffeine in it, now that I remember. Anyways, I'm not sure how effective only caffeine is.