Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

Sorry but all you ever post is crazy conspiracies and cures for cancer.

Originally Posted by Mascot

Sorry but all you ever post is crazy conspiracies and cures for cancer.

Another non-believer. bleh. Thank the forum admins for the deep dreaming forum.
And cannabis isn't a proven cure for cancer.

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

why would you assume eyelashes are not necessary? Have you considered any scientific explanation as to why we have eyelashes? You might find out its the same reason we have eyebrows but no one is questioning them.
Truth is, if we didnt have eyelashes and eyebrows, our eyes would be covered in dust, bacteria, and random crap because they would lack protection.
Toe nails may not be required equipment now, but once again, have you made an effort to find out why we have toenails? My guess is no because you would know they are the evolutionary left overs of claws and im sure we can all think of some good reasons to have claws.

Since this is the discussion on the dream plane, lets ask some simple observational questions. What is the need for this dream plane? The Dream Plane is a place for dreamers to interact with others.What supports the dream plane? The unification of entities's minds(?). What is this said dream plane made of? Pure energy.And even more interesting, what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane? Having a great time with other entities, and communicating with people you don't really know.


Also. I forget to mention hair. It seems as if the assumption is being made that as soon as we dont need something in our biology it is cast off. Reason would require a precursor for all survival attributes. We have hair for insulation. We have only had clothing for a very short time and before that, there was HAIR.

Btw, something we really dont need is our pinky toe. And once again, we have it because we needed it in the past and it has stayed with us. Unless someone develops without a pinky toe and gains some advantage over others by that i dont think it will be going anywhere very soon.


These are the kind of questions that would reveal the 'secrets' of the dream plane to me since they are the same type of questions I would use to explain my physical surroundings. It would definitely be interesting to hear anyone's answers to those questions.

Nice counterargument. If I could I would give you an internet.

Originally Posted by mikeac

Nice counterargument. If I could I would give you an internet.

You assume i dont believe in the dream plane? After all it is quite a fringe idea in our modern society. Even though I hate to inflate your ego any bigger than it is, I personally believe there could be a dream plane; however I havent been there yet. I'll let you know what its like when I get there but until then I'll use the analytical tools at my brains disposal.

Let me run this by you and see what you think...

My last question was "what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane". This is the essential question for evolutionary development. In the universe's infinite complication and simplicity, it seems that which gives a survival advantage is sought after. With this is mind, allow me to digress momentarily. It is said in some ancient traditions that exercising ones consciousness in the dream plane would essentially create an identity for themselves within the dream plane. In turn when one died, this consciousness built in our physical reality we call life would carry on beyond death. Those that werent fortunate to reach 'wholeness' would simply fade back into 'the everything' for lack of awareness beyond their physical form. So if this were true, the evolutionary advantage to the dream plane would be to provide a place for our consciousness to go even after death essentially providing for ultimate survival. And those that exercise their alternate consciousness truly would be the fittest survivors from this Earth.
I think this would be a somewhat sensible explanation, thoughts?

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

You assume i dont believe in the dream plane? After all it is quite a fringe idea in our modern society. Even though I hate to inflate your ego any bigger than it is, I personally believe there could be a dream plane; however I havent been there yet. I'll let you know what its like when I get there but until then I'll use the analytical tools at my brains disposal.

Let me run this by you and see what you think...

My last question was "what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane". This is the essential question for evolutionary development. In the universe's infinite complication and simplicity, it seems that which gives a survival advantage is sought after. With this is mind, allow me to digress momentarily. It is said in some ancient traditions that exercising ones consciousness in the dream plane would essentially create an identity for themselves within the dream plane. In turn when one died, this consciousness built in our physical reality we call life would carry on beyond death. Those that werent fortunate to reach 'wholeness' would simply fade back into 'the everything' for lack of awareness beyond their physical form. So if this were true, the evolutionary advantage to the dream plane would be to provide a place for our consciousness to go even after death essentially providing for ultimate survival. And those that exercise their alternate consciousness truly would be the fittest survivors from this Earth.
I think this would be a somewhat sensible explanation, thoughts?

Actually, you're wrong. It isn't survival that's sought after, it's reproduction. Once you've reproduced, it no longer matters whether you survive or not, because you've passed down your DNA to the next generation. (The best example of this is the female grasshopper that eats the male grasshopper after they mate - the male has served his purpose and passed down his genes, and the female needs the extra nutrition to allow the baby grasshoppers to develop. By not surviving, the male has gained an evolutionary advantage.) So, if you're looking for an evolutionary benefit of the dream plane, it has to fulfill at least one of three things:
1. Help you reproduce
2. Help you survive until reproduction
3. Be a byproduct of something that fulfills one of the first two conditions, without going against either of them
I think if the dream plane exists, it is a byproduct of sentience, which fulfills the first two conditions.

Actuallyyyyyy, im right. Ha!!! Im such a good orator.

So we fight to survive in order to reproduce. We reproduce in order to ensure the survival of the species. While im sure the goal of that grasshopper, or male black widow, or male praying mantis was essentially reproduction, you also have to piece together the purpose of survival along an extended time line. Anyway, I do agree that our sentience has provided for our ability to access this particular part of our consciousness but I think that consciousness already existed before we evolved. The energy that makes of physical matter is connected through its basic properties. In this manner I think a dream plane could be formed through what Carl Jung called the collective unconscious. Or perhaps this world of energy existed before physical matter and our brains have the ability to percieve that it may exist and also connect with it.