Thread: Shared Lucid Dreaming - Nonsense

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

HOLY CRAP I JUST DID A WILD THIS MORNING.. it was the scariest shiz that happened to me for a while. Ill post it in lucid experiences.

That's crazy man. So did I. And I have only done it about 3 or 4 times.

On the topic (that has gladly fizzled out), I use science to assess my daily life, but anyone who relies on science knows one crucial thing: you cannot prove something doesn't exist. It's on the burden of the shared dreaming proponents to prove that. Waking Nomad does that with his Shared Dreaming class because it's entire purpose is to replicate results.

I've had an accidental shared lucid dream before and although the dream was not entirely the same. It was very close, there is a possibility that shared lucid dreaming is real, I've been trying for the past few days to find my friend that is a lucid dreamer in my dreams, but have failed due to the fact that I have bad dream control.

On topic I believe it's possible. We as human beings have only 0.01% of all the information in the universe while we aslo have been around for about 0.01% of the universe's existence. There is still much to learn and much to explain and to act like we can explain it all is not wise. Science is about research and collectively learning. I would like to share dream at some point myself as a matter of fact. My only view of this topic is we need to research it more. Dreams are one of those topics we still need to research.

Perhaps

We should just "do" it.

Originally Posted by debrajane

Perhaps

We should just "do" it.

exactly my point

I'm on my mobile so can't put in links.

But

If you want, go to Beyond Dreaming then open my thread called ""Synchronicity Game" light, fun friendly"".

All you need to do (maybe) is look at Henry Reed's 15-April-2008 Daily Mandala.

To find it put "Daily Mandala" into the Google search bar, then open what appears at the top of the search list.

Then, to the right of the page are Archives. Scroll down to 2008.

Then find April.

Near the middle of the April 2008 is a stunning! Orange and Blue, Circles and Squares, Mandala.

Maybe make a black and white print out.

Then have a nap, looking at the printout.

When you are fully awake, again, post any "hipnagogic imagery you remember from when you were falling asleep and/or waking.

Note anything unusual from your remembered dream

Also, if you want, post anything that crops-up in your waking life that grabbed your attention.

Then I will keep my eyes peeled and photograph any thing in my outer-world that corresponds.

I think the Mandala will bring you here (to Adelaide, South Australia)

For verifiable dreams.

Theres nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, but I think its kinda ridiculous for people who have never tried shared dreaming to be so adamant on the fact that its not real.

I agree that its Nonsence, Lucid Dreaming is just that.... Dreaming. The only way ones Sub-Consious would create the same dream is If they lived through the exact same experinces.

Originally Posted by Crucide

I agree that its Nonsence, Lucid Dreaming is just that.... Dreaming. The only way ones Sub-Consious would create the same dream is If they lived through the exact same experinces.

You say this with such certainty. Theres no way to disprove shared dreaming, unless you try to have shared dreams vigorously, and are without sucess. Although even then it could be because the person you are trying to share dreams with just doesnt remember them, or they took place at different times, or your just not trying hard enough. But the real question is, have you ever actually tried shared dreaming? Most skeptics of shared dreaming have never even tried, which takes away their arguments credibility and makes it just mere speculation. How can one know that shared dreaming isn't real, if theyve never tested it. It's like saying people in the past saying that the world is flat, even though none of them have never actually seen proof of it. It was just mere speculation. The people who have actually tried to have shared dreaming and have succeeded are the ones who know the earth is round. They're like Columbus. At the time, many people thought it would be suicide to sail west because you would just fall off the earth. He knew better than that and by sailing to America he proved that the Earth is round. For shared dreamers, they proved that shared dreaming is real, by having a confirmed shared dream. It is understandable why it would be hard to believe them, because there is no way to confirm that they are telling the truth. But you can always try yourself. And if you really believe shared dreaming is bogus, you'll suspend your disbelief, and you will try to share dreams vigorously, and you'll be in the mindset that it is real so you're more likely to suceed. And if you've tried vigorously for a while and still have had no succesfful results, then you would be justified in saying that shared dreaming isn't real. But I dont think it would come to that, because most people who try shared dreaming hard enough, are succesful. Here's my story. I was very very very skeptical of shared dreaming. I thought that people who claimed to share dreams were idiot new age people who just made up random fantasies because they had no other life. On one of the Beyond Dreaming posts, I saw some guy named Waking Nomad claiming that the moon was a meeting place for shared dreamers, and that he often met up with Raven Knight and MOSH at the moon. I thought it was complete bs but I decided I would try it anyways, just to make sure. So the next time I became lucid, I decided to go to the moon. I didn't see waking nomad or mosh or raven knight. I ended up in some Biodome type place, and I saw some guy feeding a large cat like creature. Then I went out of the Biodome and saw tons of different portals. I woke up after that. I decided, ok, I didn't see any shared dreamers, it must be bs. But just to make sure I posted what I saw. Then Waking Nomad sent me a link to his Dream Journal, and I saw in previous entries, his descriptions of exactly what I saw. He described constantly being in a biodome, he described the cat like creature, and he described the portals. This proved to me, that although I didnt see any shared dreamers, I obvioulsy went somewhere that they had also been. I had never read Waking Nomad's dream journal before so there is no way that I could've known about those places. It confirmed to me that there is a dream world, and hence, shared dreaming is possible. I have had other confirmed shared dreams since but most of them have been non-lucid shared dreams. I know it is real, and so do other people who have proved it to themselves. So why don't you try proving it to yourself, before completely dismissing the possibility.

EDIT: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/anyone...t-night-99947/
In case you didn't believe me.

Originally Posted by Atras

You say this with such certainty.

Theres no way to disprove shared dreaming, unless you try to have shared dreams vigorously, and are without sucess.

Although even then it could be because the person you are trying to share dreams with just doesnt remember them, or they took place at different times, or your just not trying hard enough. But the real question is, have you ever actually tried shared dreaming? Most skeptics of shared dreaming have never even tried, which takes away their arguments credibility and makes it just mere speculation.

How can one know that shared dreaming isn't real, if theyve never tested it. It's like saying people in the past saying that the world is flat, even though none of them have never actually seen proof of it. It was just mere speculation.

The people who have actually tried to have shared dreaming and have succeeded are the ones who know the earth is round. They're like Columbus. At the time, many people thought it would be suicide to sail west because you would just fall off the earth. He knew better than that and by sailing to America he proved that the Earth is round.

For shared dreamers, they proved that shared dreaming is real, by having a confirmed shared dream.

It is understandable why it would be hard to believe them, because there is no way to confirm that they are telling the truth. But you can always try yourself. And if you really believe shared dreaming is bogus, you'll suspend your disbelief, and you will try to share dreams vigorously, and you'll be in the mindset that it is real so you're more likely to suceed. And if you've tried vigorously for a while and still have had no succesfful results, then you would be justified in saying that shared dreaming isn't real.

But I dont think it would come to that, because most people who try shared dreaming hard enough, are succesful.

Here's my story. I was very very very skeptical of shared dreaming. I thought that people who claimed to share dreams were idiot new age people who just made up random fantasies because they had no other life.

On one of the Beyond Dreaming posts, I saw some guy named Waking Nomad claiming that the moon was a meeting place for shared dreamers, and that he often met up with Raven Knight and MOSH at the moon. I thought it was complete bs but I decided I would try it anyways, just to make sure. So the next time I became lucid, I decided to go to the moon.

I didn't see waking nomad or mosh or raven knight. I ended up in some Biodome type place, and I saw some guy feeding a large cat like creature. Then I went out of the Biodome and saw tons of different portals. I woke up after that.

I decided, ok, I didn't see any shared dreamers, it must be bs. But just to make sure I posted what I saw. Then Waking Nomad sent me a link to his Dream Journal, and I saw in previous entries, his descriptions of exactly what I saw. He described constantly being in a biodome, he described the cat like creature, and he described the portals.

This proved to me, that although I didnt see any shared dreamers, I obvioulsy went somewhere that they had also been. I had never read Waking Nomad's dream journal before so there is no way that I could've known about those places. It confirmed to me that there is a dream world, and hence, shared dreaming is possible.

I have had other confirmed shared dreams since but most of them have been non-lucid shared dreams.

I know it is real, and so do other people who have proved it to themselves. So why don't you try proving it to yourself, before completely dismissing the possibility.

That is a great post Atras (!!!)

I especially related to the end bit where you wrote:

"I have had other confirmed shared since

But

Most of them have been non lucid (...)"

It is 7:02am here, Sunday 19 June.

Hope U Try Henry Reeds Mandala.

Love
Debra.

We can't prove shared dreaming is real. You can't prove that shared dreaming isn't real.
I know that shared dreaming is real because of personal experience. If anybody tells me otherwise, he's an horrible person and he should use the time wasted complaining to achieve a better dream control.

The end.