Real Life will be a dream when we die, so is it just like a looong dream?

[giogoMoget2]

I was listening to an interview with Stephen Laberge. Pretty interesting. He said that life might be a dream after all. And i have to agree. I know it's not a dream but when we die, either we have a spirit that has a brain or we just turn into nothing . In anycase, we will either remember real life just as we remember dreams now or if we have no spirit memory, then we don't remember nothing and we end.

[Kolten]

Death is a confusing subject, because there is no way of knowing what happens.

[Teo]

I started typing a reply to this thread, but because of the huge quantity of text I ended up with, I decided to post it in the "Dream Interpretation" section instead... Long story short, I had a dream about 2 months ago that sounds a lot like the "real life will be a dream when we die" idea you're referring to here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f30/dream-...-me-up-105422/ Of course, this is no verification to the idea or anything, but I felt the need to share that "dream experience" with you guys

[BlueBlue]

The spirit yearns to be free, but it remains in bondage for at least 65 years or depending on how long you are alive. Being part of this world, the spirit manifests itself by means of form and structure. It is linked specifically to you at the beginning of conception and remains until death's final bidding. It therefore uses this world as a conduit or manifold for its existence without which it must find other means of existence elsewhere. It might sound rather eccentric, but this explanation is rather attractive to some cultures, particularly those who believe in reincarnation. After all, dreams are a type of transformation aren't they? So why is reincarnation any different? Dying and going to heaven certainly classifies as a transformation-reincarnation, but maybe you have a totally different perspective.

[Velzhaed]

If life is a dream...then we're probably all F-ed, because we're hoping that the afterlife follows certain guidelines we learned while in the dream...while we know full well nothing in a dream can be relied on to make sense.

[Skicanoe]

I know it's not a dream but when we die, either we have a spirit that has a brain or we just turn into nothing . In anycase, we will either remember real life just as we remember dreams now or if we have no spirit memory, then we don't remember nothing and we end. Or, we realize ourself as a conscience spirit WITHOUT a brain that neither thinks or dreams in the way we do now.

[Waterknight]

umm I think the movie waking life says something like "They say that dreams are only real as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?" I havent seen the movie but after googling A scanner Darkly I found out about this movie and read some quotes from it.

[iDreambig]

you're right, reality is just a dream. I completely agree with you. We're in limbo. Someone give me a kick > i want out of this fake world, it's impossible to live here.

[CuriosityOfLife]

Try meditation and and past life regression. You all might be amazed lol. We are all spiritual beings, we aren't really humans. We are just spiritual beings having a "human experience". The human body is just a vessel.

[Tranquil Toad]

I know it's not a dream but when we die, either we have a spirit that has a brain or we just turn into nothing . Well it is a dream, but everything is. Thats what reality is, dream. So its not as if you are asleep somewhere in a different body dreaming this up. Your spirit doesn't have a brain, but that doesn't negate its consciousness. Part of the confusion comes from the fact that we think the brain is producing consciousness, when it is not. The brain is a reciever/projector of consciousness. It allows consciousness to be experiences in a certain form, but it is not the creator of awareness. Think of a computer monitor. It doesn't produce the information you see, obviously, but it does change it into a certain format. Your brain serves the same function. When you die you won't have a body or brain, and you won't experience reality in the 3d 5 senses that you do now, however the brain was a creation of consciousness, not the other way around.

[CuriosityOfLife]

Precisely what tranquil toad just mentioned above! Whatever you do in life, don't fear death, instead enjoy everything as much as you can! LIVE IN THE NOW

[Hijo de la Luna]

we are more than simple vessels we are the universal power manifesting in a form, dream, or maya. One god, one body, inumerable parts/perspectives; the great mystery experiencing the wholeness of itself through contrast & duality.poop

[Snowboy]

So, if this is all a dream, what isn't? Your ideas do not allow for something that is not a dream, that you alone are the reality, that sheer consciousness of the spirit is reality, that the rest is just a dream. I highly doubt this concept is barely even a smidgen close to what is correct, but I do agree that we should live it up in this life. Life cannot be a dream, but if it is, it is one of few things that our imagination cannot truly conceive. I will be shocked if any of you can come up with a conceivable way that the whole "you are the only reality" idea is even possible.

[kenietz]

I agree with Tranquil Toad, everything is a dream and everything is reality as well. I think the difficulty for understanding is coming from the language. "Dream" is just a word describing other realities. But 'reality' is just a word describing our perception of what is out there. Something is out there that is for sure. But our focus on things out there brings them into our 'reality' so to speak. In other words, there is reality but is something else from what our eyes are showing us. During our education we were taught how to perceive the reality out there. The 'dreams' can teach us that there is more out there than what we can perceive with our senses.

[Snowboy]

I agree with Tranquil Toad, everything is a dream and everything is reality as well. I think the difficulty for understanding is coming from the language. "Dream" is just a word describing other realities. But 'reality' is just a word describing our perception of what is out there. Something is out there that is for sure. But our focus on things out there brings them into our 'reality' so to speak. In other words, there is reality but is something else from what our eyes are showing us. During our education we were taught how to perceive the reality out there. The 'dreams' can teach us that there is more out there than what we can perceive with our senses. That hardly even touches on what is being discussed, yet it touches on everything (irony can be weird like that sometimes ). Now, real-life dreams and realities cannot coexist. It just isn't logical. There can only be one reality, not separate ones (unless parallel universes are real, but still, it's one big Universe). Think about it. We have to step away from thinking and look at what the Universe is from the one true point of view. That one true point of view is the true reality, everybody just perceives it differently, so this can never be accepted nor denied. If you did not fully understand that just ask me to elaborate further.

[kenietz]

That hardly even touches on what is being discussed, yet it touches on everything (irony can be weird like that sometimes ). Now, real-life dreams and realities cannot coexist. It just isn't logical. There can only be one reality, not separate ones (unless parallel universes are real, but still, it's one big Universe). Think about it. We have to step away from thinking and look at what the Universe is from the one true point of view. That one true point of view is the true reality, everybody just perceives it differently, so this can never be accepted nor denied. I see. But look now in your post you say "We have to step away from thinking ..." and just before that "It just isn't logical.". Now then is that logical Anyways, there is nothing logical about the true reality it is just there being whatever it is. And as you said it yourself we just perceive it differently. That is what i wanted to say as well. I'll try another way of explaining myself. It is like our wake 'reality' is what we see through a certain kind of device and 'dream' reality is what we see through a different kind of device. But the reality we look at during wake and dream is the same. So i suppose that when one enters in a state where 'dream' and 'wake' reality merge one actually can see that true reality.

[KushyBear]

Have any of you heard of the multiple worlds interpretation or about the ten dimensions? Only the first five need to really be understood, in my opinion, the rest is just food for thought. I believe that our brains process information at certain ranges. This wave of speeds can fluctuate naturally, or artificially with outside substances, many people call them drugs. I refer to them as shortcuts. Shortcuts to achieving a different speed. A faster speed would make time feel slower, as I believe time is an illusion and a man made thing for organization. Vice versa. I also believe that once we die, presuming we don't die from brain damage or a bullet to the brain, our brains release all the DMT we have left, and since our bodies no longer need and signals from the brain to stay alive, the brain can use this electrical energy, along with the DMT to process information at an extremely fast rate. Also, since information is what we get from our five senses, the brain just creates a new world for us, like in dreams. The speed is so fast that 15 minutes, the time our brains still function after death, feels like eternity to us. Now I don't know what would happen to the soul, as I believe we are souls inhabiting bodies. I haven't put enough thought into the soul yet. Also, I'm not sure what would happen if you were to die from cases stated earlier. I'd love to read your thoughts on this. =D

[Snowboy]

But the reality we look at during wake and dream is the same. So i suppose that when one enters in a state where 'dream' and 'wake' reality merge one actually can see that true reality. That makes sense! The speed is so fast that 15 minutes, the time our brains still function after death, feels like eternity to us. That sucks! I hope my brain doesn't release all of the DMT, whatever the hell that is. I don't want to be stuck in my head for a long time! I think ti takes 30 FUCKING HOURS for the last brain cell to die! 15 minutes would suck, but 30 HOURS??!!! I don't even want to think about it!

[KushyBear]

Why not? I believe that is the afterlife. A forever long dream inside our own minds, limbo, if you will.

[dfault01]

Why not? I believe that is the afterlife. A forever long dream inside our own minds, limbo, if you will. that sounds awesome. I might get lonely though. My DCs never say anything interesting.. "What's that? You're dreaming..? Oh. Cool..." *flies away*

[Snowboy]

Why not? I believe that is the afterlife. A forever long dream inside our own minds, limbo, if you will. Limbo would suck. Besides, the last brain cell has to die at some point, no matter how long it may seem to take, so it wouldn't really be forever. And limbo is forever thoughtlessness and mindlessness, so it isn't quite a dream. Now, if it turned into a dream, that's a different story. That would be pretty fucking awesome. Unfortunately, even though it will seem like a long time, the dream has to end when the last brain cell dies. Ha, doesn't that remind you of Inception? I remember one of the guys had what seemed like a 50 year shared/lucid dream, yet it only lasted a short time. I wonder if that's what happens in the "forever dream"? Unfortunately, you would have to go through almost every possibility in a FD, so it would get boring pretty quick. Who knows, maybe your life flashes before your eyes and all the thoughts you had thought go through your head that your SC can remember? Maybe that's what's happening right now, it's just a flashback as your brain dies. But, this makes little sense, so it probably isn't true. Besides, experiencing a certain lifetime once is enough. I hope this doesn't happen when you die (the FD or limbo idea... they're both pretty bad)... that would suck HARD. EDIT: Ha, that's a cool avatar, KushyBear! I just noticed how cute it is! ^_^

[elucid]

When we start to get really in depth about this, we do see the similarities of the dreamworld and "realworld". There was this one person who in this forum said that they stayed in a dream for quite a long time and after such time, the dream started to become like "realworld" where there were rules and the person did not have powers. So in a sense, the "realworld" can be seen as a stabilized version of the dreamworld. They both seem the same, except one is more stabilized than the other. I also believe that to make the dreamworld "real", we need to stabilize it. Then the differences might wash away.

[CuriosityOfLife]

I'm curious, to what elucid mentioned just above, has there been anybody on this forum whose lived say 30 years in one dream. Like you sleep for 8 hours in the "waking life". But in the dream world you've been in there for like 30 years or so. I once read somewhere that some dude had this experience but i didn't know what to believe lol

[saltyseedog]

hmmm I've found the more stable or "real" the dream is the harder my dream control is. Also my brother has experienced entire past (and once future) life times of himself and other people in dreams. Some of these lifetimes were lived as highly evolved aliens and atlantis. he has also had dreams of living as a tree, a crystal, a lightbulb, and a bunch of other nonhuman things.

[Quark]

Depends entirely on how you conceptualise reality and dream. For instance, we cannot change the laws of the universe to our liking, nor do anything remotely magical (some may argue differently). Secondly, a dream is what we ascribe to an alternate state of 'deepened' consciousness. It's relative to this higher state, reality. Given that we've only experienced these two different forms, and never 'woken up', e.g. gone to heaven, to nirvana, woken to a machine dominated world etc, then this has to be reality as we know it. Through relativity of knowledge. We define mostly everything through relativity, that is, contrast. Why would an even higher state of consciousness (than reality) be immediately classified as the real reality? It implies that reality = higher state of consciousness. Is that really the case?