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      When you guys astral project, does all of your astral body completely separate from your physical body? Or does your astral body divide itself into twin aspects, one of which stays fully in the physical body, and one of which leaves it? It seems to me that it must always be the latter, that your physical body can't exist without the astral body in it. Just looking for refutation or confirmation.
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      What it comes down to is awareness. The astral body has your 100% undivided attention, so your physical body is basically forgotten for the duration of the AP. The whole separation of the astral body from the physical is how one initiates the astral projection. If my astral body has been creating a double every time I project I have not been aware of it. All I am saying is that if my astral body is creating a double, it is irrelevant to me during astral projection because I am so focused on my astral body that is leaving my physical body. I hope it helps in some way

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      Thanks.

      Here's something to try if you feel like it....after leaving your physical body, try to be aware of yourself in both locations at once.

      Here's something else a person could consider, though personally I wouldn't try it without understanding the risks better....Once you're aware of both astral bodies, put the projected one in some feasible place, such as sitting on the bed, and try to remove the astral body from the physical body entirely. I think it should be possible to teleport your physical body to the location of the projected astral body, since it won't be able to stay in the original location.

      Or you could try the same thing with another object, rather than with your own body.

      A rhetorical question is why nobody has demonstrated this publicly. It seems to be taboo for some reason, even though I'm sure now that its possible. I had a couple of experiences like that and it scared me - I didn't want to do it again. And I don't know that I could even if I wanted to.
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      The easy answer on why its difficult or impossible to publicly demonstrate unambiguously paranormal phenomena, is that such phenomena are not real, and all people who believe in them are delusional. But of course that answer only works if you can square it with your own experience, and if you never push your own experience beyond that.

      Here's a couple of possible answers, as conjectures:

      1. If phenomena such as teleportation are real, then people have a lot more potential power than they thought they had. If they explore that power, then they find out that they've got moral responsibility for what they do with it. And such moral responsibility does not start and stop with birth and death, because the parts of ourselves that have such power do not start and stop there. We find that who we are is inherited in large part from others who have come before us. Perhaps who you are is not your fault, in that you didn't choose the history of your species. You didn't choose your genes, and your upbringing, and the lusts that you inherited with those. But nevertheless, you are what you are now. If you're a predator, a vampire, in one way or another, what are you going to do about it? What you do about it is your responsibility now. Nobody wants that responsibility, because its hard. So nobody wants to follow a path of discovery that will lead to that awareness. Everyone tries to close the door, in one way or another. One way of closing the door is to deny the possibility of paranormal phenomena. So if you attempt to produce such phenomena, you are not only obstructed by the weakness of your own mind, you are also obstructed by billions of other minds who want to live in a world where such phenomena are not real. Because they do not want responsibility.

      2. Maybe its really not time for it. Maybe if paranormal phenomena were demonstrated, the sway of religions would be even stronger, and reason and spiritual freedom would have an even harder time developing. Maybe people are right to resist it. I'm guessing this is probably part of the truth also.

      My gut feel, reflexive response to this is that people are cowards. The powerful, spiritual part of yourself has a right to live also, its not right to lock it in a cage forever. So acknowledge it, exercise it, and honestly face and accept the consequences. Maybe in the course of doing this, I'll find that I was too arrogant, that I pushed to hard, and I was wrong to judge people as too timid. Then I'll suffer the consequences for that, and I guess some other people will also to some degree as a result of my wrongdoing - we do affect each other. But for now, I think that all of the complacent skeptics, the kind who pretend to already understand nearly everything worth understanding, as well as the theists who content themselves with fairytails about how God will take care of everything for them, are all a bunch of cowards. I guess that's a trollish thing to say, but that's how I see it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      When you guys astral project, does all of your astral body completely separate from your physical body? Or does your astral body divide itself into twin aspects, one of which stays fully in the physical body, and one of which leaves it? It seems to me that it must always be the latter, that your physical body can't exist without the astral body in it. Just looking for refutation or confirmation.
      Well, since the experience is so subjective, I think it's really hard to tell which of those is actually happening. For me, I don't feel any twin aspect exactly. But at the same time, my body isn't an empty shell, either. I think that maybe the higher functions "leave," or more accurately, just project to another dimension of mind, with the lower functions of the brain still staying "here" and keeping things running.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      When you guys astral project, does all of your astral body completely separate from your physical body? Or does your astral body divide itself into twin aspects, one of which stays fully in the physical body, and one of which leaves it? It seems to me that it must always be the latter, that your physical body can't exist without the astral body in it. Just looking for refutation or confirmation.
      Hello, shadowofwind

      The astral body is the main focus. Dont bother focusing on your physical body or you will just jump back into it. That part is out of your control. The trick is the out of phase brainwaves going on and it's effects on your awareness. There is a lot more to it. I do not have much practical experience but i have read a good amount. The physical body is able to survive because the astral body is always attached. Some refer to this as the silver cord. This cord cannot be broken and can stretch indefinitely, so you can go as deep into the AP as you want...dont worry. I hope this helped a little.
      "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience" ~Chardin~

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