need to know seeing ghost doing obe???

[sandysam]

Hello! I am new to OBE and all. I start interested in obe coz it offers so many things beyond life. But I am also not a fan of seeing ghost on daily life (totally disturbing- seeing them everywhere, can't tell which human which ain't) I want to know for those who have projected out there... do you see ghost on daily life while not projecting (off course) ? Immediately after learning to get out, or in time, you have the ability to see ghost also in daylight? I am trying not to stimulate brow center chakra coz somebody says it could cause one to see ghost, do you think it will help? eventhough at night maybe one projecting, but during daylight we are working as usual. Seeing ghost is very scarry experiences I think coz I am living on my own right now. From stories I heard, they can suddenly pop out right in front of my face, making sounds, lying besides you when you wake up from sleep.....uh.... scarry !!!! I like OBE but not seeing ghost in day to day life.... Thank You All for your time reading this post, and for kind answers !!

[Psionik]

I don't see ghosts. Also to do OBE doesn't require chakras. One of my acquaintances told me that he has friend whose girlfriend is advanced traveler. That he saw her moving outside, but in reality she was laying in her bed -she was visible during her travels. When I asked him if she uses special technique for this, I was told that I need much energy for that. While I'm skeptic, there is no reason not to try

[sandysam]

Thank you for your answer! it's very cool! hope to try the MAP book soon by bruce ... but not going to try chakra kinds of thing cuz I think it's waste of time... I heard sleep paralysis is "the fastest" way to obe... yeah... well I got to try trance practice first... anyway thanks for your help... much appreciated... :-)

[Psionik]

I have written this to Mimihigurashi some time ago. You may try it. Of course there are many methods. But this one functions for me best. I developed it from Schultz method a few decades in past. Start is the same- relaxation and concentration: I made my exercises out of schultz autogenic training with some shortcuts and modifications. It needs some time to learn them, but not so long. a) Relaxation of striated muscles- I concentrate on weight of my hand, I feel it and I make that feeling as strong as possible, and again stronger. I let that feeling of weight progress through whole body. When all my body feels heavy, I concentrate on deepening of that feeling... This relax skeletal striated muscles. b) Relaxation of smooth muscles- Concentration on warmth in my hand. It feels like I have my hand in warm water, and water is warmer and warmer... liquid fire in my hand. Very pleasant and very hot. I let that liquid fire flow up my hand to other hand, and when my hands are warm, I let that warmth flow to my feet... At last I let spiral that warmth from my hands and legs into solar plexus. Now, I don't do it because of third chakra, but because warmth leads to relaxation of smooth muscle tissue of digestive tract. You have to concentrate on your body, making good use of feedback loop to make feelings stronger. Don't think. Feel. Concentrate on feeling. Stay in that state as long as possible- but don't force it if you start to feel restless and you can't turn off that restlessness. It is also the best not to think while in OBE... You can learn to think through feelings, intuition. For OBE: When I reach state of body where it is very heavy, so heavy that I have feeling I can't move and very warm, I start to concentrate on rolling movement of hand. Movement without moving physical muscles. I send impulses to muscles(to roll hand from side to side), but at the same time I let hand relaxed, lying still. After some time I will start to feel second body hand(as if second, astral hand, and with that the feel of astral body permeating physical body start to be felt.)slowly rolling in physical body, and I try to make small rolling movements to be bigger. After a while I move the whole second body out of physical. Sometimes I feel second body even during autogenic relaxation, then separation is simpler and faster. For WILD: With autogenic relaxation I can reach quite quickly sleep paralysis state after years of training. If I want a WILD I look for imagination. I don't need to go as far in relaxation as for OBE. It is enough to relax and concentrate enough to melt disturbances in body and mind. You don't need to leave thinking processes. 1. flash pictures- you can use them to make your dream world... Concentrate on that flashes. If they are real enough there is probability they will take you into them. You will dream in that picture. 2. imagined pictures- harder than flash imagination pictures, you prepare your picture for longer time. You make finer touches to your picture and at some point it is good enough for starting dream inside of them(picture will pull your mind inside). 3. Imagination of tunnel. That one I use most often. My tunnel starts as ring, inside ring, inside ring... I let ring grow... then second one inside first, then third... and I let them grow. It creates illusion of flight in tunnel. At some point your mind will feel the flight. And your tunnel will be more refined as time goes, till you fly at the end of it and into larger country.

[sandysam]

hi sorry, I got busy these couple of days .. cant reply promptly... :-) wow, it's lot....:-) Start is the same- relaxation and concentration: I made my exercises out of schultz autogenic training with some shortcuts and modifications. It needs some time to learn them, but not so long. a) Relaxation of striated muscles- I concentrate on weight of my hand, I feel it and I make that feeling as strong as possible, and again stronger. I let that feeling of weight progress through whole body. When all my body feels heavy, I concentrate on deepening of that feeling... This relax skeletal striated muscles. b) Relaxation of smooth muscles- Concentration on warmth in my hand. It feels like I have my hand in warm water, and water is warmer and warmer... liquid fire in my hand. Very pleasant and very hot. I let that liquid fire flow up my hand to other hand, and when my hands are warm, I let that warmth flow to my feet... At last I let spiral that warmth from my hands and legs into solar plexus. Now, I don't do it because of third chakra, but because warmth leads to relaxation of smooth muscle tissue of digestive tract. You have to concentrate on your body, making good use of feedback loop to make feelings stronger. Don't think. Feel. Concentrate on feeling. Stay in that state as long as possible- but don't force it if you start to feel restless and you can't turn off that restlessness. It is also the best not to think while in OBE... You can learn to think through feelings, intuition. I've never heard of these muscles... but I'll give it a try... I'm now trying to get into trance kind of thing, I try sleep deprivation method to get to the edge faster... I kind of have problem with sleeping...so far so good... I can see my mind just go really fast to whatever comes up... feeling like my spirit is just about to go out also, but I am too scared ... :-( I don't know about WILD, i will try obe first... it's nice I think, less scary compared to obe, especially sleep paralysis... well, thanks very much for the method, I'll give it a try, really appreciate it ! :-) j

[Psionik]

Don't worry. The fear is your enemy. Be quiet. Observe. Do not think. Be above what you are perceiving. Look, the fear of something is what makes that something come to reality. You are going into sensory deprivation. Your imagination will go into overdrive if you don't stay thoughtless, fearless, observing only... Imagination is basis for LD(WILD) but I try to distance myself from it while going OBE because it is destroying realism of it... And it makes it to descent to LD. There are discussions whether OBE is just some kind of LD- If you will have your own experiences you will see... and make your own conclusions. Please try to be above things... Stay bonded to this reality and explore new one without making beliefs out of it. Remember, imagination makes things appear there. From your own energy. The more you invest of it, the more real it will be. That is true also for perceived dangers, enemy beings, entities. Some of them may be created by yourself. Cutting of imagination will make them disappear. Or it will make them weak.