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      Question Anyone here have natural Sleep Paralysis?

      From very little I have had Sleep Paralysis. It used to be the freakiest thing in the world until I learned more about it and about Lucid Dreaming. I still have it and, unlike when I was younger, I start to hear things. I know it's just hallucinations and a dream forming. I have never gotten past the audio hallucinations because sometimes it is so loud and deafening.

      Question 1: Any reason why the sounds are so ear-splitting? (It's hard to explain what they sound like)

      Question 2: Anyone experience something like that?

      Question 3: Does anyone have natural sleep paralysis?

      Thank you

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      I do. Only when I wake up, though. Unlike some people who describe the feeling of being totally stuck, I'm always able to hallucinate myself moving for a few seconds before snapping back to my body. It's extremely confusing and I never realize what's going on until it's over. I think I just happen to keep dreaming during it more strongly than some people. Also, very frequently my eyes (or at least one of them) will open during it, which makes the hallucinations very bizarre. Things like seeing my fan (on and spinning) on the floor while I'm standing next to it, seeing one of my pillows hanging off my bed with piano keys all over it, seeing my room shaped like the inside of a pyramid, etc.. Whenever I'm actually able to stand all the way up (like with the fan), the whole world feels very heavy and jelo-y, and rocks back and forth a little bit.

      Actually, sometimes I guess I kind of get it while falling asleep, but never very far into it. I'll near a noise or see a very light HI, and that'll bring me back to consciousness.

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      SP is a normal part of going to sleep. Normally you would not be aware of it, but in a WILD you must stay aware, so it seems exotic. It happens every day to all most every one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      SP is a normal part of going to sleep. Normally you would not be aware of it, but in a WILD you must stay aware, so it seems exotic. It happens every day to all most every one.
      Experiences the effects of N1-N3 sleep (HH, sleep spindles, sensory deprivation, deep sleep characterized by delta waves) are a normal part of falling sleep.

      What the OP is referring to has nothing to do with WILDs and (the misused term) "sleep paralysis." What's he's talking about is the correct, scientific, definition of sleep paralysis. In other words: being conscious/awake while REM atonia is still active. As you might infer by the name, REM atonia occurs after, or during, the onset of REM and vivid dream formation. It paralyzes the body so the dreamer does not act out their dreams. However, this paralysis doesn't occur until after REM begins, meaning even prolific WILD practitioners rarely experience it.

      Really, you have to either do your research, take an intro level Psychology course, or experience it yourself to understand the difference between actual SP and the hallucinations (among other things) experienced throughout the NREM cycles.

      As it is, using the term "sleep paralysis" to refer to anything besides, well, sleep paralysis is just psychobabble and should really be avoided by anyone who is serious about the science and experience of sleep.

      Sorry if I seem like a dick, but I'm tired of this term being misused all the goddamn time by people with enough experience to know better.

      /tyrade

      To the OP: I've only experienced sleep paralysis once, but I know someone who suffers from it frequently. She didn't say much about auditory stuff, but the usual lights, presence, and underlying terror pop up frequently.
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      How some users already said, SP is a normal part of falling asleep. Just that normally you aren't conscious during the SP. I already experienced the SP when I was a child and I was quita afraid of that feeling. I was just lying in my bed and couldn't move so I was trying to move until I could. Now I often experience SP , first I am afraid but after a little time I become aware that I'm sleeping and that this is the SP and then I usually fall asleep consciously and dream lucid. The strange thing is that I'm ALWAYS blind during the SP and also often in WILDs... I hear voices and noises and feel hands touching my body or things falling down on me but I do never see anything.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mzzkc View Post
      What the OP is referring to has nothing to do with WILDs and (the misused term) "sleep paralysis." What's he's talking about is the correct, scientific, definition of sleep paralysis. In other words: being conscious/awake while REM atonia is still active. As you might infer by the name, REM atonia occurs after, or during, the onset of REM and vivid dream formation. It paralyzes the body so the dreamer does not act out their dreams. However, this paralysis doesn't occur until after REM begins, meaning even prolific WILD practitioners rarely experience it.

      Really, you have to either do your research, take an intro level Psychology course, or experience it yourself to understand the difference between actual SP and the hallucinations (among other things) experienced throughout the NREM cycles.

      As it is, using the term "sleep paralysis" to refer to anything besides, well, sleep paralysis is just psychobabble and should really be avoided by anyone who is serious about the science and experience of sleep.
      Thank you for pointing this out, Mzzkc. You are 100% correct. As someone who has actually experienced sleep paralysis, I am also frequently frustrated by the misuse of this term.

      I had experiences of sleep paralysis for several years. The earliest experiences I remember were when I was around 12 and the last one was about 3 years ago (I'm 28 now, so I had these experiences for about 13 years). I would wake up in the middle of the night. I could see my room as it usually looked, although, sometimes, everything would have a strange glow. I would immediately feel an overwhelming sense of terror, but be completely paralyzed and not even able to scream or make a sound. At first when this happened, I would see a tall figure made of black smoke with glowing red eyes standing at my door. I was raised in a very strict, religious home, so as a child I thought I was being attacked by a demon. As I got older, I took several psychology classes in college and was able to understand from a scientific point of view what was happening to me, however, this didn't stop me from continuing to experience SP. These episodes became more and more frequent - I was having them as often as several times a month - and the smoky figure would now hover above me instead and I would feel intense pressure on my chest, like I was suffocating. Strangely, sometimes the terror transformed and became exciting and ecstatic. Once, I even left my body and went flying around with the smoky figure. These experiences were actually the reason I began training myself in lucid dreaming.

      hogwartsman,
      to answer your second question, I have never experienced sounds with my SP. I'm not sure if what you're describing is actually SP. It sounds more like hypnagogic hallucinations.
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      Yeah, l've had it a few times before leaving my body. First l get the auditory stuff - like a loud roaring sound and l believe a lot of shaking too [it is ear-splitting and very loud]. There has never been any fear etc and no visual hallucinations [lf they are hallucinations. Don't take psychologists too seriously. These ppl usually know nothing about real occult truths]. l just let the SP carry on until l feel my astral or etheric body loosening and then l float out [or rather, roll out].
      Who's to say what those 'figures' are - like the 'old hag', or what hermine_hesse's was seeing in his post. That smokey figure could have been a spirit guide for all we know.
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      Before I LD'd I would have SP when I wake up about once a week... I would hallucinate with it for about an hour, sometimes more... it came natural. Now that I LD, I know how to turn SP into a LD... very helpful.
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