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      A few questions about OBE's

      Hi there, I'm new around here and had some questions about OBE's...
      I've been having lucid dreams for a few years now, which results in sleep paralysis and sometimes if I'm lucky, OBE's.

      1. If my room doesn't look the same as normal, and if I see video game characters etc. does this mean it's not actually a OBE but a dream? Or are OBE's kinda created by the mind as well? I am usually trapped in my body and I can suddenly go flying out of it, hit the floor, etc. Sometimes I cannot see at all, other times I can walk around or float but I feel all trembly and my eyes are half shut. Can it be confirmed if this is a OBE or not? I usually try to find water to wake myself up. One time I went into the shower and turned it on, I couldn't feel the water but it made a really messed up sound. I turend the cold on full blast and I started shaking all over.

      2. Sometimes people with dead stares, who seem frozen in place will visit me. Has anyone else had this happen? One of them had really messed up skin, almost like a demon or something. Another time I awoke and saw a figure outside the door, so I flew into the hall but they froze me in place, and he turned his head at me. Another time there was a strange woman in my room, so I grabbed onto her and somehow made reality and her fall apart, almost like I was destroying her or something... Because she really scared me lol. This all sounds strange but I need a little insight here. Thanks people.

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      The majority view here seems to be that there's no clear line dividing between an out-of-body experience and a lucid dream. This fits my experience. Normally while 'awake' you involuntarily project what essentially a cartoon of your external environment, incorporating real-time sensate information. In a lucid dream you incorporate almost no real-time information, and it may be more voluntary, but otherwise its mostly the same kind of projection. In an 'out of body' experience you project a representation of your external environment, possibly incorporating other imagery also. Weirdly, it can include actual real-time information, and other paranormal effects can occur, though nobody seems to have much idea about how that works.

      Your normal 'waking' experience contains a variety of elements, including sound, color, tactile location, inertia, buoyancy, etc. Out-of-body experiences can differ depending on which of these elements are emphasized. In the past I made a distinction between astral body and dream body, but now I think its just an emphasis on different aspects of the mental model.

      I haven't had experiences with frozen people such as you describe. I suppose that since you're projecting representations of thoughts and other unnamed things that you sense, and are struggling to accommodate two competing versions of 'where' you are, a wide variety of things could happen. If you're using drugs to stimulate the experiences, or if it seems to have an adverse effect on your waking life emotional health, then I'd lay off of it, but that's just my opinion.

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