Thread: Telekinesis is Not Real

Hey, Placebo, isn't this the site you fell out with?

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too lazy too read all but i think i got the main point of it

Telikinetic control of an actual object of that size on a scale of seconds would reqire vast amounts of energy to move along with a very strong focus of mind.

However... on a quantum scale it has been shown that human perception can alter quantum decisions.

With that in mind I came to wonder if the human body is actually just an amplification device in order to interact with this physical world, you must admit its pretty handy. And it would save a whole lot of focus and energy in trying to move something with sheer will

So.. what if the brain wasnt just a chemical machine, what if at one point the spirit, interacts with the quantum properties of the atoms in a neuron somewhere in the brain and causes that neuron to send out an electircal signal. What if this interaction only occured on equally small scales of time, perhaps near the plank, which is supposedly about as small a measurement of time as you can go without time getting all weird and unexplainable on you.

So voila your telikinetic, just on very small scales =D.

But as I said before.. on a scale of seconds, the complete and utter control of the entire mass of an object, how it will interact with the surrounding world and how others will percieve it in a way that does not defy the natural laws of physics in this physical world would require VAST amounts of energy and will...Our bodies are only capable of expending the amount of energy that we consume and thats generaly not enough to preform such feats.

What if.. though. What if we developed a device that our spirit could tap into just as it taps into the brains powers, this device would be a Gestalt to a massive source of power, would we be able to use that energy and apply it to an object? a LARGE object?

And does anyone know where I am refrencing this from? =D

*Sigh* Fine, mr pennypacker or whatever name that is, the whole forum knows that you dont believe in TK, are you happy now? You think you can trust this whoever guy who wrote that site? He doesn't know a shit about TK, all he talks about are psi wheels and straws. -_-" because that is all he can argue about, and I think he has never experimented on it before. He doesnt care for the moving pencils, toothpicks, psi wheel in a jar, distance TK, dimming of lights etc, because either he has never read up on it before, or he ignores those facts as he has nothing to say about it. And i dont think static and breeze will be strong enough to move those stuffs. Besides, people practise in enclosed areas. Oh well. Anyway, I'm spending less time on TK and now I've moved on to telepathy, psi ball manipulations and shielding. But i guess you dont believe in that either huh...suit yourself then..

Yep, that's the site I had a brief fallout with. We have a mutual understanding now.
We understand each other's point of view, we simply disagree on the conclusions for subjective reasons

The guy himself is quite a bit like James Randi, in having a very grumpy and aggressive disposition. But his points are all valid.

But, by the name of this thread, you're stating that you don't believe in TK, based on this page.
That's fine, but it's sure as hell not proof.
As Keith says all the time, you can't disprove a negative.

My reasons for believing in TK are based on subjective experiences, not on any solid theory.

Keith Mayes is my hero...

This is why so many ignorant people invent so many weird and wacky 'theories' and honestly believe they make sense, because they are just not smart enough to realise they are talking rubbish. ~ Keith[/b]

Originally posted by Raven
Oh well. Anyway, I'm spending less time on TK and now I've moved on to telepathy, psi ball manipulations and shielding. But i guess you dont believe in that either huh...suit yourself then..

so err... you’ve heard of people that can "shield" themselves from bullets with their minds?
also iv never seen any evidence of "psy balls" or any videos or in real life have you?

Santa, please. READ WHAT SHIELDING MEANS FIRST in the psychic world, before posting ur nonsensical stuffs.

Problem with alot of scientists is that they take the current understanding of the world as complete truth.
Just because things cannot be measured does not mean they do not exist. You could say that this does not prove their existance either. But I could ask you to prove to me scientifically that there is inf act a voice in your mind that you can "hear" when you think or when your say.... reading this sorry excuse of a response. anywhoo...

I have seen some things that make one wonder about Ki and using it to shield oneself Physically... A sword thrust at an abdomen no mater how dull it is should still pierce the skin, but those crazy monk master guys can some how keep their flesh from being pierced so this isint like laying on a bed of nails where your weight is distributed over a large area or walking on hot coals where the actual temperature near the coals is bearable by some one with a thick callus.
Psi manipulation is another thing, cannot really prove it but I have had some experiences that I cannot ignore

"TK DOES NOT EXIST (NOTE: This is of course just my opinion and not a fact)"

TK is real and I'm the only living entity too possess such a gift. So everyone else claiming TK are just posers. If you think I'm wrong, I challenge thee to a TK duel.

PS - I love everybody too.

Well, as DV's resident Seer and Cosmic Know-It-All, I can tell you without hesitation that telekinesis and other forms of psychic power are very, very real.

I was wondering what your charging for that space between your legs? ~

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Originally posted by Kaniaz

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Originally posted by Kaniaz

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What exactly are you talking about here?
As for me, I am not a skeptic, nor am I a believer. I remain neutral!

Originally posted by Kaniaz

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yeah what the hell is going on here

The next person to quote that double image of randi is going to get a muffin shoved up his arse.
This thread is fast turning into a senseless banter split candidate...

Originally posted by Placebo
The next person to quote that double image of randi is going to get a muffin shoved up his arse.
This thread is fast turning into a senseless banter split candidate...

Sorry, didn't mean to do that..

Originally posted by Serinanth
Telikinetic control of an actual object of that size on a scale of seconds would reqire vast amounts of energy to move along with a very strong focus of mind. *

However... on a quantum scale it has been shown that human perception can alter quantum decisions. *

So.. what if the brain wasnt just a chemical machine, what if at one point the spirit, interacts with the quantum properties of the atoms in a neuron somewhere in the brain and causes that neuron to send out an electircal signal. What if this interaction only occured on equally small scales of time, perhaps near the plank, which is supposedly about as small a measurement of time as you can go without time getting all weird and unexplainable on you.

i'm sure you're well aware of the wavelength of light changing the position of a particle, thus making it impossible to both determine velocity and position, thus giving birth to heisenberg's uncertainty principle. correct me if i'm wrong, but if our minds could indeed move said particles, then we couldn't really determine that with absolute certainty given our inability to observe their current state accurately. things that cannot be determined nor observed are generally excised from our explanatory models, such as what the universe was like before the singularity (if in fact the singularity occurred at all).

Originally posted by icedawg


i'm sure you're well aware of the wavelength of light changing the position of a particle, thus making it impossible to both determine velocity and position, thus giving birth to heisenberg's uncertainty principle. correct me if i'm wrong, but if our minds could indeed move said particles, then we couldn't really determine that with absolute certainty given our inability to observe their current state accurately. things that cannot be determined nor observed are generally excised from our explanatory models, such as what the universe was like before the singularity (if in fact the singularity occurred at all).

So you're a believer? Not against me at all, b/c you are cool!

Originally posted by icedawg
i'm sure you're well aware of the wavelength of light changing the position of a particle, thus making it impossible to both determine velocity and position, thus giving birth to heisenberg's uncertainty principle. correct me if i'm wrong, but if our minds could indeed move said particles, then we couldn't really determine that with absolute certainty given our inability to observe their current state accurately. things that cannot be determined nor observed are generally excised from our explanatory models, such as what the universe was like before the singularity (if in fact the singularity occurred at all).

Ok, so what you're saying is: we can't know if we've moved something because we are uncertain of it's absolute position. C'mon now... I'm sure we can think of SOME way to test it out . How about... shoot photons at a screen. Determine the probability of a photon hitting outside a certain radius. Then focus and see if you can get more outside the radius than stated by probability.

Or you could just levitate a billiard ball... that's pretty good proof too .

~Sean

Originally posted by peebrain
Ok, so what you're saying is: we can't know if we've moved something because we are uncertain of it's absolute position. C'mon now... I'm sure we can think of SOME way to test it out . How about... shoot photons at a screen. Determine the probability of a photon hitting outside a certain radius. Then focus and see if you can get more outside the radius than stated by probability.

it's physics, man. let me quote Hawking here, "[ ... ] this limit does not depend on the way in which ones tries to measure the position or velocity of the particle, or the type of particle: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is a fundamental, inescapable property of the world." we just cannot determine the state a particle is in at any given moment; we can only make predictions.

a photon travels at the speed of light, and you're saying we might have the ability to move it before it hits the screen? seems to me our minds would have to be moving at the speed of light as well, if not faster, which is impossible.

also, a hypothesis falls apart if it's not falsifiable, and yours really isn't. you could blame any discrepancy in your predictions by your "mind power." observations that can't be verified may be entertaining, but they cannot count as evidence in scientific inquiry.