Thread: Telekinesis is Not Real

This is why so many ignorant people invent so many weird and wacky 'theories' and honestly believe they make sense, because they are just not smart enough to realise they are talking rubbish. ~ Keith[/b]

"Weird and Wacky" are opinions, therefore wrongly placed in a statement such as this, that seems to Imply Undeniable Truth.

This statement also implies that the eons of Scientists who've produced theories, some of which have often gone unchallenged for years, when faced with the fact that their theory turns out to be wrong...are ignorant.

Unless ol' Keith has either A) Never been wrong about a single theory in his lifespan, or B) Never Produced a theory, therefore never having it proven wrong, he has just placed himself in the pen of Ignorant rubbish-talkers he's just described.

Scientists and/or "Critical Thinkers" are the ones who came up with the concept of Junk DNA, preaching to the world that a large percent of our DNA served no purpose, and of course 'intellectually' (sp?) bashing anyone for thinking otherwise. Until, of course, they recently found out that they were wrong. And after lengths and lengths of time of preaching "scientific truth," they hardly acknowledge the fact that they have been dictating a truth without the foundation of Truth itself. But of course, when they are wrong...its 'sweep it under the rug and say as little about being incorrect as possible, that way no one knows we don't know Everything, and will keeping hanging on our coat tails about truths we don't really know are truths."

...The creation of the universe is an example of this unwinnable arguement.

Mainstream science, while Representing the height of human intellect, also serves as a front for the most unswayable advocates of closed-mindedness that exists, today.

They enter every experiment, every situation, and indeed every Aspect of life with the pre-emptive notion that "Everything Has A Reasonable, Rational, SCIENTIFIC explaination..." and leave out the inner monologue of "...Uhm....we just don't know what it is yet." because they are afraid to admit that there just Might Not Be one.

Centuries ago the "earth was flat" and you would have to have major balls to publicly declare otherwise. Much later, most of our DNA was junk...and if you thought wrong, you needed to go back to school. Now science says that we can explain the subatomic properties of every substance in the universe....even though we as human beings can only visually see less than 10% of all matter that even Scientists believe exists.

Scientists and Debunkers are two differnt concepts. People just like to use One of them to hide the fact that they are the really the Other. If you go into an experiment with the Firm Immovable Belief that something is Fake, it will take nothing short of the hand of God/Allah/Whoever for you to concede to truth, even when its right in front of you. And the higher your self-proclaimed "Intelligence" is...the harder it will be for you to contradict it.

Do I believe in telekinesis? I don't know. Do I doubt its possibility?
Nope.

Originally posted by Oneironaut
the concept of Junk DNA

wow, i've never heard of that. it seems rather intuitive to me that such a theory would be false, given the extreme likelihood that everything in our bodies has function and purpose courtesy of our existence via evolution.


anyway, while i'm all sure we'd love for telekinesis to be reality, i don't believe it's currently possible. some people like to earnestly suggest there is infinite potential locked up in our current brains, and to a small extent i'm sure that's true; evolution-wise, however, i just don't believe we're there yet. i mean, we're just a hop, skip, and a jump away from monkeys. maybe in a couple dozen million years.


i must admit ignorance in so many of the vast avenues that constitute physics and biology though...i'm just studying right now to prepare myself for some first year courses at University.

Icedawg Wrote:

wow, i've never heard of that. it seems rather intuitive to me that such a theory would be false, given the extreme likelihood that everything in our bodies has function and purpose courtesy of our existence via evolution.[/b]

Yeah, I hadn't heard of it until recently either. I stumbled across it and started a little more reading about it. You can even put "Junk DNA" into google and it will show you about what was previously believed, and what has been newly discovered. Even National Geographic has logged recent findings.

Though I think its important to note Icedawg's point of view. While he remains (quite reasonably) skeptical, he does not arrogantly suggest that the non-existence of telekinesis is fact. He has good reason to believe that telekinesis does not exist, and the right to exercise it, and still maintains that it could be an undiscovered possibility. That is the essense of scientific exploration, not gathering a few supporting elements for your personal opinion, and running with it.

Can't argue with that.

There are still a great many questions in molecular biology that have yet to be answered - as junk DNA is/was.
I spent a few days researching wiki regarding DNA replication and transcription, as well as the underlying chemistry. Many of the answers I was seeking seemed unavailable.

I feel that skeptics begin to take things a little TOO far. Lucid dreaming used to be one of those kooky subjects that would get you flamed for mentioning. Scientists adamently denied it (despite the fact that about half the population experiences it at some stage)
Only relatively recently it became scientific fact - after La Berge's experiments, eg.

I respect science, but it seems to be better suited to discounting things than discovering them. You need a creative scientist to make headway. Not skeptics like Randi and Keith IMO.
They're good for reducing our assumptions to what we really know for sure (not much), but not great at discoveries.

warrning! Necromancy in effect!

good reasoning, but you know what they mean

Scientists adamently denied it (despite the fact that about half the population experiences it at some stage) Only relatively recently it became scientific fact - after La Berge's experiments, eg. [/b]

Well lucid dreaming has been a noted phenomina since 1950 or even before. The point is that science has to test things before it is accepted. If i said i can lavitate things in my basement then you would want to see me do it before you accept it. In the age where magicians can do various tricks wouldnt you want to know if the people who say they got this abillity to be tested before it is accepected. Telekinsis has been tested and all the result have turned out negative, also some body offered a million pounds for a person to demonstrate telekinsis under scientific condition. And guess what nobody has never agreed to do the test. Even if they dont need a million pound they can give it away to charity. I find it really suspecious that nobody has done it.

Well on that Psipog site, I read they wanted to do that Randi test, but they had too many problems with him or something. It's probably still there somewhere. Maby The Mad Hatter can answer you, since I think he was a moderator there.

Well on that Psipog site, I read they wanted to do that Randi test, but they had too many problems with him or something. It's probably still there somewhere. Maby The Mad Hatter can answer you, since I think he was a moderator there.[/b]

Yeah most people who took the test didnt agree with scientific condition like putting in a glass box so they cant breathe on it. That reminds me of a con artisit who did that paper trick, lots of morons followed him wanting to have powers he got lots of money and about a year later it came out it was a con.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Yeah most people who took the test didnt agree with scientific condition like putting in a glass box so they cant breathe on it.
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Actually it was something like that Randi didn't want to do the tests. And I've seen some videos with glass boxes over the objects. Ok, you can say it's fake and everything, but if you're going to doubt those vidoes, then you should doubt every other video, as everything might be "fake". It's not like you did research on the subject yourself and get your info that way, you're just telling us your opinion (though I won't say that I'm any different, yet ).

Actually it was something like that Randi didn't want to do the tests. And I've seen some videos with glass boxes over the objects. Ok, you can say it's fake and everything, but if you're going to doubt those vidoes, then you should doubt every other video, as everything might be "fake". It's not like you did research on the subject yourself and get your info that way, you're just telling us your opinion (though I won't say that I'm any different, yet ).[/b]

http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html#1.4 If you read question it say no one has passed prelimanry test. Common why the hell would they not want to do the test.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html#1.4 If you read question it say no one has passed prelimanry test. Common why the hell would they not want to do the test.
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Well as I said, it's all about who you believe. Here is the article I dug up, if you actually want to have a look at it.

Originally Posted by mkauf84;

Yes there is a such a thing as telekinesis. Have you ever had a remote control car. Try breaking down the word "tele" meaning distant and "kinesis" meaning movement. Which means telekinesis is the movement of a distant object with out physical contact. The word you're looking for is Psychokinesis.

Why does everyone always get this wrong? It's like people who can't get that Hades is not hell. Hades is the god of the underworld, which the ancient Greeks saw as a hell like place. Some idiot probally wasn't paying attaintion in class when they were discussing Greek mythology. And ever since than has effected millions with the stupid virus or maybe it's the stupid cancer. Yet cancer isn't a contagious, but it is herditary. Either way stupidity spreads like wild fire and is very hard to get rid of. From now on where ever I walk. I will no long just walk. I will march for the care of stupidity.
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The only stupid one here is you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=telekinesis

Notice that telekinesis is defined as moving things by your mind, as well as a synonym of psychokinesis.

And while I'm here, I'll highlight additional aspects of your idiocy

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hades

Hades is both the god of the underworld AND the underworld itself. You've never read the Odyssey? Odysseus goes to Hades But yeah... don't make an ass of yourself and call everyone stupid when you are the only stupid one.

Interesting. I've heard many people say the same things. They have good points, and from personal experiance I know that the pin-wheel is not a realible way to prove telekinesis. I've had times when I could tell it wasn't tk moving the wheel. But I've also had times when I was convinced completely that I was moving it with tk. I've seen a man move a metel key back and forth in the direction of his fingers with his hand very far away outside in cold weather. I've seen a friend kill an ant (hid hand about 5 inches away), bring it back to life, control it by making it follow his finger, and killed it again with a simple snap of the fingers. These incidents cannot be explained and I've considered the idea that I am in fact crazy. But I have a witness. A girl I had a romance with was witness at both occations. I've asked her many times since I got out, and shes varified it every time. Explain that to me. But, of course I could be lying. All I can give is my word.

Well you can freeze animals these make them appear dead they normally faint and stay still then have sharp movement after.
http://mightytricks.blogspot.com/2006/05/r...agic-trick.html
See if you dont know the tricks then it hard to see the lye. Although this is for a fly it can work on any insect.

I've seen a man move a metel key back and forth in the direction of his fingers with his hand very far away outside in cold weather. [/b]

Seriously this is proberly a trick. Because why would he be moving his finger to control something, which supposably is from your mind. Plus a amature magician could pull of a trick like that. The point is nobody is going to put their self under scientific condition i.e. do the randi test. I wonder why somebody isnt going to take the test and get a million dollars.

Originally Posted by Placebo

Only relatively recently it became scientific fact - after La Berge's experiments, eg.[/b]

As pointed out by a previous poster, LaBerge was a bit of a Johnny-come-lately as regards scientific experimentation with LD. The Department of Parapsychology at the University of Edinburgh (UK) beat him to it by a couple of decades.. and that's not to mention the military interest in the Second World War, as portrayed in the book "The Ka of Gifford Hillary" by Dennis Wheatley, who was himself involved, as were the Germans and Russians too.

As pointed out by a previous poster, LaBerge was a bit of a Johnny-come-lately as regards scientific experimentation with LD. The Department of Parapsychology at the University of Edinburgh (UK) beat him to it by a couple of decades.[/b]

Old chinese and tibetan scientist bit everybody by a factor of about hundreads of years. It kind of like how small pox cure was rediscovered by the west, even though a tibetan monk discovered cure ages ago. I watched it on QI.

Originally Posted by wer

I am in fact crazy. [/b]

Ah, I understand.

This is very interesting!

check this out

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMj_bgzCUw8


after you see the video, research her name, you will find out that she was examined very throughly for any strings, magnets, or anything that could hindur the experiment, also her pulse reading during it was almost 200, she nearly died of a heart attack...

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

check this out

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMj_bgzCUw8
after you see the video, research her name, you will find out that she was examined very throughly for any strings, magnets, or anything that could hindur the experiment, also her pulse reading during it was almost 200, she nearly died of a heart attack...
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Magnet in her vagina.

Magnet in her vagina. [/b]

way to go captain obvious, there you go following me around and posting ridicules about my comments...get a life junior...

No I'm serious, the scientists that conducted the experiments didn't check her private parts, such as when she moves the needle on the compass, she's got a tiny magnet in between her breasts.

Good try though, Skipper.

No I'm serious, the scientists that conducted the experiments didn't check her private parts, such as when she moves the needle on the compass, she's got a tiny magnet in between her breasts.

Good try though, Skipper. [/b]

if u only knew how truly pathedic you are making yourself look....even after reading this your gonna post again...and again..and again...and you still wont get the message....

spiritofthewolf, do you know anything about this 1 million offer? Why doesn't anybody do it, do you think? Is it because it's so hard to do TK infront of people because it distracts one's concentration... or what?

:S