Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
I think that the distinction between alien spaceship and the original meaning of the UFO acronym is important when two people are confusing each other in conversation by using the words in a different way without realizing it. And it can be important if someone is confusing themselves by blurring two different definitions in their own mind in an inconsistent way. But once we understand each other, beyond that it's just pedantism.

At least half if my 'astral projection' experiences have not been OBE's. I kept my standpoint of awareness in my physical body while projecting a significant portion of my astral body, so to speak. And I've had OBE's that weren't astral projection - my visual standpoint and sense of identity went out of body, but my tactile sense and what seems like 'astral' form stayed in body. So the definitions break down no matter which standard you choose.
LOL. Ok, in general AP is OBE, but you seem to have found a possable exception. I told you one time about getting most of my tactile awareness outside my body but was pinned in my body at the head. I was definately moving my astral form around, but was still in my body partially. Sounds some whatish like what you said. So, there you go. Let's see. Cheerios are cerial, but cerial is not always cheerios,,, that is unless the Cheerios are ground up, then they are oat flour.