Thread: Password shared dreaming experiment

For what it's worth -- and no offense meant to Taskmaster Mzzkc:

I thought that the cathedral image was added more as a focal image, a "larger initial target," as it were, and a way to form an initial schema that better matches Mindraker's, than it was meant as a place in some dreamworld to visit. If it was the former, it's still not a bad idea; after all, the bigger the target, the better, and any aid to navigation is helpful. In other words, I don't think anyone was talking about setting up shop on the astral plane.

Originally Posted by Sageous

In other words, I don't think anyone was talking about setting up shop on the astral plane.

Of course not. At least I wasn't.

... I thought we didn't go there. To the netherworld plane, that is...

Originally Posted by Sageous

For what it's worth -- and no offense meant to Taskmaster Mzzkc:

I thought that the cathedral image was added more as a focal image, a "larger initial target," as it were, and a way to form an initial schema that better matches Mindraker's, than it was meant as a place in some dreamworld to visit. If it was the former, it's still not a bad idea; after all, the bigger the target, the better, and any aid to navigation is helpful. In other words, I don't think anyone was talking about setting up shop on the astral plane.

And I have no issue with that idea.

But I don't have faith that all participants will "get it." It's more likely, given the track record of exercises that use a particular place or meeting point, people will instead focus on getting somewhere instead of figuring out the password.

Not only will these mindsets skew results, so will the personal schema people attach to whatever place is chosen.

A possible solution: Message Passing
Mindraker will symbolically release the password in some way. (message in a bottle, carrier pigeon, owl, catapult, w/e)
Participants will receive it in a symbolic way. (doesn't matter how)

The symbolic procedure Mindraker used to release the message each night should be kept hidden until he posts his report.
In this way, we get the benefit of symbolism, without a biased skew.

Originally Posted by Mindraker

OK, it seems like people are really wanting the test for each word to go longer than one night. That's fine. I think your suggestion for a month is reasonable.

Hmm? The month would just be the duration of the entire exercise before you do your analysis and start again with fresh data.

Although, keeping the same password is a good idea.

But you should definitely change up the password more frequently than that.
Maybe change it once every 14 days (half a month)? Just for a good sample size?

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

But I don't have faith that all participants will "get it." It's more likely, given the track record of exercises that use a particular place or meeting point, people will instead focus on getting somewhere instead of figuring out the password.

Not only will these mindsets skew results, so will the personal schema people attach to whatever place is chosen.

Good point. I could see that happening, now that you mention it.

A possible solution: Message Passing ... Mindraker will symbolically release the password in some way. (message in a bottle, carrier pigeon, owl, catapult, w/e) ... Participants will receive it in a symbolic way. (doesn't matter how)

The symbolic procedure Mindraker used to release the message each night should be kept hidden until he posts his report.
In this way, we get the benefit of symbolism, without a biased skew.

That's an excellent solution to the problem you noted, and it also makes the net a bit larger, as Mindraker might notice dreamers spotting his release method even if they missed the method itself...

Please, hold your applause.

There is science to do.

This thread is getting out of hand. Everyone has different ideas they want to force on others, and it's now hard to follow what's actually going on here... if anything at all.

It had good potential though.

Originally Posted by Sageous

... I thought we didn't go there. To the netherworld plane, that is...

Huh? And we're not.

OK, let's just wrap up what's going on, or what I think is going on:

• After tonight, I'm going to pick a password from my Collins German-English Dictionary
• This dictionary-selected password will be kept secret for a month
• I'll still post the password I used from last night tonight at 10 PM
• The password I'll select in the future will be selected by means of a random number
• I'll take a timestamp of the random number and the time I took the timestamp
• We'll do this for 30 days, starting tonight at 10 PM EST
• We're not doing a search in a cathedral anymore for the word, we're just looking for the object.
  

Did I miss anything?

This post maybe?

Other than that, I think things are mostly solid. You'll probably want to create a new thread for ideas/comments and another for results. Just to keep things clear and under control.

The password for last night was

Spoiler for password:

Pink Elephant

This was the last night I'll be using a password from my brain, and I'll use something from a dictionary from 7/22/2012 until 8/22/2012.

I'm out, for obvious reasons: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/passwo...ml#post1919308

I still wish the experiment turns out positive though.

I wasn't able to connect to the internet at all, so my dream journal entry was posted late. Finally reached the destination, and I'm at the same timezone.

I saw the password you put now, and found one dream that ended up with someone being pink.

Then I saw a word come up on the computer in another dream. I wasn't sure of what it was, but it was Elizabeth.

You'll see in the dream journal entry.

Chainsaw Women, Mucus Circles, Krauser and Pink Bunny, Elizabeth - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

What's interesting is the Pink Bunny outfit Krauser turned into, and then Elizabeth showing up on the screen in the next dream.....and even then, I wasn't sure if it was Elizabeth.

Oh well, I'll keep up with the experiment.

I wanted to post this around 5:30 AM, but I had to get ready for the destination...sigh...


Either way, the method I'm using is showing some potential in finding the password. It's basically a V-MILD before I go to sleep, and the hopefully I wake up some time in the night, look at the affirmation again, and hope to do a WBTB+WILD also.

I thought these dreams were random, but I'm pretty sure that the events linked up to trying to guess the password.

It may not appear genuine, because the DJ post was made around 9:00 PM something, but hopefully tomorrow and a few weeks, I can focus more on this without any delay.

My whole day was trying to get an internet connection to post the dj entry and comment on here...man, hate it when traveling messes up my efforts.

Originally Posted by Gills

I'm out, for obvious reasons: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/passwo...ml#post1919308

I still wish the experiment turns out positive though.

Thank you for your participation! I appreciate your help.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

I saw the password you put now, and found one dream that ended up with someone being pink.

Congratulations!

This raises something interesting:

What happens if the password is more than one word, and you find only one word (like "pink" or "elephant" but not "pink elephant"?) Is that a "hit"? It's worth keeping track...

Alright, I kept up with the V-MILD throughout the day of saying that I will find the password you decided to pick out from the dictionary at random intervals during the day. I even did it during the WBTB as well.

Loli, Gray Font, We had Homework?, Blonde Female in Black - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

It took a while for me to finish the DJ entry, since I was exploring some areas at Florida. I had to resort to typing on my Blackberry Phone to save some notes that I would go back to in order to go into detail of what I experienced.

Some noticeable things in these dreams of mine:

I saw that there was a Scorpion drawing/painting that would not conform to being saturated in any other color I decided to put ink drops on. Hm.........

I met a blonde female who was invincible to all of my non-lethal gunfire, and she was unarmed. Unfortunately, someone woke me up before she had a chance to come close to me and possibly declare something important.

About the same Scorpion part, there were also some Naruto Shippuden Mangas around, and I believed I played around with a few opened pages by erasing some shading from Naruto's face...don't know if you like that anime and/or mangas, or anything of that sort.

I'm not going to make any assumptions on the password you picked, I'll just continue with the sporadic checking of the V-MILD I set out for myself, and hopefully become lucid within the month span of the experiment.

Maybe there are some things that you can see associated with your password, but of course, you'll be keeping it a secret. Maybe these dreams were just usual randomness occurring during NREM sleep, but I set a timer for 5-6 hours of sleep, and did a WBTB, and then slept maybe for 3 more hours.

So I'm sure I got some REM sleep, or maybe some REM rebound, since I did have little sleep the night before.

So 8-9 hours total of sleep for me.

As always, looking forward to tonight's efforts! I think after tomorrow, I might have to make another road trip with someone, but I'll try my best to get those set of dreams that I can recall in the near future.

I seem to be getting back to remembering a lot of details in my dreams. I find that this is necessary, especially when trying to distinguish what may be just random expressions of my subconscious spewing unconscious thoughts, or intentional expressions for clues.

This looks like an interesting thread! Normally i don't join into events like this, but this one seems 'professional' done. Will post my results tomorrow, going to bed in 20-30 minutes. Hopefully, i will have some good results!

3days ago Mindraker began athread called "Password shareing dream experiment". He posted a picture of a temple and said he would place a password in the temple for lucid dreamers to find daily.

After 24 hours he posted the first password "rubiks cube".

After 48 hours he posted "pink elephant" (post #35 Linkzelda shared dreams, post #59 debraJane shared dream, post #60 & #73 Gilles shared experience and dream.

Then in post #85 and post #87 it was decided that the next.dream password would be released (like a bird) into the sky) for dreamers to intercept how ever they wish. The third password was released on 22nd of July Mindraker will reveal the password on 22nd of August

I'm thinkimg I might spread the word about this exciting experiment by private emailing folk and inviting them to have a go.

i am doing this tonight. Will report back.

I just remember one dream from last night. I was in a library, and i was searching for books that was about diving, but a person said to me that i should look for psychology books. This is probably a very long shot, but could the password be one of those: Diving, psychology or library?

Thank you all for participating! I should start logging all your guesses in a file... this is going to get big really fast.

What I'm experiencing, at least, is that I'm getting a lot of detail and more dreams, as I'm trying this. I'm not sure if this is *the cause* or not. But I'm certainly enjoying it.

Seems my road trip is going to continue to another place, which means I have to get ready now, so I should just post my results here now.

I didn't get to do a WBTB+WILD, but I was in the process of it. I was using the Flex Freeze and Reverse Blinking. I positioned my pillows so my neck would be tilted, which would prevent the Swallowing Reflex from distracting me when getting into a meditative state. Someone woke me up though, and things were going well before they did.

Anyway, these dreams aren't anything special, but there's one dream that was interesting.

I had to go through security to get scanned like all passengers who got off a train from a station. I made the mistake and went through a section without a guard confirming I could, and he simply told me to go back and wait to be scanned. I complied, and went through with no worries.

Other than that, I don't see anything else that could be associated with finding clues on what the password is. Here's the entry anyway,

Burnt Toast, Sonic and Knuckles, Train Station Security - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I probably had 4-5 hours of sleep in total, and I will continue to use the affirmation from the V-MILD for tonight. I don't know what will happen while I'm waiting for a few hours to get to the next destination, but I will continue to push forward in getting a decent night where I can attempt inducing a lucid dream.

Take care for now.

I don't mean to offend you guys here but folks... IOSDP. IOSDP everywhere. http://www.dreamviews.com/f144
plz check out once? please?

I really like the idea of making a password Mindcracker, it would be better if we have SD and confirm it in a sufficient way.
But... I don't want you to make failure like we did in IOSDP.

First, you are focusing on getting to a place, not meeting a person. This would be 'shared themed dreaming', not 'SHARED dream'.

Well, I'll tell you a story... For half a year IOSDP members tried to meet at Chicen Itza pyramid. All of them.. about 50 members I assume. I think I made it to the pyramid while I was lucid for 5 times succesfully during the half year. I think I made over 50 times attempting to go to the pyramid while lucid, but failed. In the 5 times I never met anyone and failed SDing.
I think only one case was successful SDing at the pyramid - this one member met a woman holding a baby at the top of pyramid... Well. only one successful SD attempt during a half year.

The meeting place itself make people a connection somehow, but it literally does not make you share dream with each other.

So we changed the Chicen Itza pyramid to Giza pyramid. More simple and everyone knows Giza Pyramids at Egypt.
The first night, Katsuno, Aeolar and I had a very big synch (fight with enemies in a closed space, and Katsuno and Aeolar were at the same place I think) We didn't managed to go to the pyramids but we somehow had a synch.
But it doesn't still define a shared dream, we rather had a 'same themed' SD.

So we realized that getting to a meeting place is ACTUALLY HARD if you are not good at achieving lucidity. Like Mzzck said, this was the biggest failure in IOSDP project. So we stopped meeting at place, instead we worked on getting lucid.

Lucidity is not required for SDing. However it allows us to find a specific person thru dream, Nomad said that.

So another half year I attempted finding a specific person while lucid for about 10 times I think, but almost of them I failed.... is it because the person lives far away and we don't sleep at the same time? (the person I tried to find lived in England)
(We've managed to find each other on the same night though, we were at the same place - school.)

What is a 'shared dream', really? Is it just having a 'meshing' dream, dreaming the same factor, a share dream? Is finding a specific person while lucid, and meet each other SHARING information, and then when you wake up you confirm the same exact place/ feature you saw/ conversation you heard a shared dream?

As of now I think the second question is right.
So whatever you're doing now for proving a SDing.... don't make failures every night, eventually becoming frustrated... and then conclude that 'SD is not real'. Of course password idea is still good - I really didn't try to prove SD because I only focused on getting lucid and or finding a specific person in dream.

We're starting a new SD project in IOSDP soon, based on all failures we've experienced we're gonna brainstorm ideas there to have real shared dream. We might include the password idea. So if you're interested, please join

Here's a dream from last night.

I am on the 40th floor of a tall building. The room I'm in is a library. The wall on one side of the room is just a big window. Everyone else in the library is Japanese. I look out the window and see some nasty storm clouds moving in, with multiple finger-like clouds pointing down into the city. I start to see dust and debris kicking up a few blocks over so I know a tornado has formed in the city, even though I can't actually see it yet. I yell out, in English, to everyone in the library that there is a tornado, but I worry that they won't understand what I'm saying. I run out into a hallway to find a staircase. I feel I'll never be able to run down all 40 stories before the tornado gets here but I have to try.

This may be the same or from a different dream. Not sure.

I'm outside of my house in the yard. The sky looks very menacing. I have this feeling that a terrible event has taken place, probably weather related. I know the world will never be the same. I'm by myself and not sure of where to go now. I see a Blackhawk helicopter fly by fairly close to the ground. Some one on board is calling out over a speaker, asking if anyone needs help. I start yelling and waving my hands to get their attention. They see me and start to circle around. The helicopter turns too sharp and slams sideways into the ground not far from me. I run over to check it out and it's a very gory scene. Bodies everywhere. I'm looking for survivors but at the same time worried that I'll actually find one because I don't know how I could help.


Bad weather is my biggest dream sign so I'm not sure why I didn't get lucid. Hmm. Anyway, I know these dreams sound bad but they weren't nightmares.