Thread: Password shared dreaming experiment

Posts moved to Shared Dreaming Debate.

Posts merged.

This test is now closed, as participation has stopped.

I am now posting the data from the test. The password was taken from:

The Collins German-English, English-German dictionary / by Peter Terrel... [et al] = Pons Collins Deutsch-Englisch, Englisch-Deutsch Grosswoerterbuch / von Peter Terrell [et al.] - 1st ed., HarperCollins Publishers, 1993.

The definition was selected by an online random number generator selecting a page from the English-to-German text.



The password that was selected by the generator was "blur". I wasn't overly content with that, as almost everything in my dreams are blurry. So I read a little more in the definition, and it mentioned "photograph". So I chose "blurry photograph" as my choice for password. There is a picture of me and my brother in my parents' back yard on my refrigerator; I chose that as my "blurry photograph".

Observations: I divided the results of the participants into two groups: one, being those who had a clear password recollection in their dream from that night, and another, those who didn't. My main observation was that those who had a clear-cut password recollection from their dream tended to have one simple password to present the next morning, whereas those who didn't, tended to present multiple guesses as to what the password was.

For example: Chard remembers one clear password "kookaburra".
Melanieb remembers one clear password "D0070".

But a dream not necessarily related to passwords presents a lot of different key dream ideas (High school, prostitute, New York...)

This was a trend I noticed throughout the experiment.

Other observations:

I was initally rather surprised with a few of LinkZelda's guesses:

"The environment itself was blurry..."

LinkZelda apparently uses the word "blurry" rather frequently in his DJ, as I found.

Another mention of "blurry":

The insides are just a blurry brown color with the wooden chairs, sofa, kitchen, etc.

and of "picture":

"I see a picture of a blonde anime girl"

Conclusion: I don't have enough evidence to believe this is telepathic communication. I think these are merely words that LinkZelda uses frequently, as can be seen by doing a simple search through his journal -- simply by opening his journal I can find 5 instances of the word "picture" and 7 instances of the word "blurry".

I would like to thank everyone who participated in this study, and look forward to any future ones.

Below, I am posting my raw data table.

page 1: post1918855
07-20-2012 09:16 PM - 7-21-2012 (pilot run):
password: Rubik's cube
No hits.

7-21-2012 - 7-22-2012 (pilot run):
password: Pink elephant

7-21-2012: post1919507 Pink Linkzelda

7-22-2012 - 8-22-2012 password: Blurry Photograph


7-23-2012 post1919951 Linkzelda password attempt

7-24-2012 post1920230 Ekyu password guess (Diving, psychology, library)

7-24-2012 post1920253 Linkzelda password guess (airport/train security, getting _scanned_)

7-24-2012 post1920320 dms111 password guess (weather, buildings, windows, helicopters...)

7-24-2012 post1920446 Chard password attempt (random number generator / number)
7-24-2012 post1920555 debrajane password guess (Caduceus)

7-25-2012 post1920714 dms111: lucid dream password attempt (sentences, two images, man & woman)

7-25-2012 post1921092 Linkzelda: password guess: (house, lady, one-eyed purple monster)
7-26-2012 post1921200 Ekyu: non-lucid password dream (can't remember)

7-26-2012 LinkZelda password guess: BLURRY: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/passwo...ml#post1921617

"One dream involved me meeting a girl with red head wearing a black outfit. Her eyes were fairly big, anime eyes basically. The environment itself was BLURRY, and she emphasized her presence. I couldn't help but gaze at her unique facial structure."

"The environment itself was BLURRY, very dark, from gray to black. It felt as if this environment was so BLURRY to where it would look like a running ink painting of buildings, etc."

7-27-2012 post1921899 Chard password attempt (kookaburra)

7-27-2012 post1922233 Linkzelda password guess (high school, prostitute)

7-28-2012 post1922526 Linkzelda password guess (travel, airport, cave, superhero)

7-28-2012 post1922569 melanieb password attempt (D0070)

7-28-2012 post1922643 Sageous password attempt (mohawk biker dude)

7-29-2012 post1922871 sivason password attempt (balustrade) guess (Tower, fort, castle, crenellation)

7-29-2012 post1923019 Chimpertainment password guess (cathedral, church)

7-29-2012 post1923038 sivason password guess (pastor, wife, brother, church)

7-30-2012 post1923206 Linkzelda password attempt (interview, ceiling, white building)

7-31-2012 post1923756 Linkzelda password guess (brunette, computer lab, project, murder, blood)

7-31-2012 post1924377 Linkzelda password guess (casino machine, quarters, gambling)

8-1-2012 post1925054 Rookie password attempt ("Condolence", _blurred_ human face)

8-1-2012 post1925083 Linkzelda password guess (elevators, Naruto Shippuden, autumn, anime, man with gun, timer...)

8-10-2012 Blonde Anime Girl and Rei Ayanami, Permission Ticket and Bands, Dark Merlin and IRC Ban - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Linkzelda picture, blur

I'm sorry, I just can't resist...



BTW, many of my dream journal entiries (offline) have the word "blurry" written in them. Examples: The dream started to fade and became blurry.

Maybe I am a shared dreamer, too?

Originally Posted by Gills

I'm sorry, I just can't resist...



BTW, many of my dream journal entiries (offline) have the word "blurry" written in them. Examples: The dream started to fade and became blurry.

Maybe I am a shared dreamer, too?

You had the opportunity to post your dreams on the thread while the test was running. Now that the test is closed; you can create your own test, as was suggested in the dream debate thread.

I'm glad to have participated in this, I apologize for not posting much on the thread, but I figured that you were the type to still read DJ entries anyway. I honestly thought my dreams were too random to even be considered at a possible link to the password.

I figured that after observing my dreams from all of my entries, that my mind does give me what I want to achieve, in very very VERY vague ways that takes me a while to finally get a light bulb in my head. I'm sorry if I didn't analyze my dreams more, but they were just so random. Though the one that still intrigues me is the "Pink Bunny outfit" and "Elizabeth" post I made after you posted one password to be "Pink Elephant."

Anyway, I'm glad this experiment was set up, to me, even though it did not show enough of "finding a person in their dream" and "synching their sleep periods," it is amazing that even when non-lucid, even when logic is basically passive, that my mind still managed to pick off certain cues and hints to the password.

But, and please pardon me when I say this, when you picked the random number generator, I can't help but think that the number "69" was there, and the fact that I had a dream where I threw a prostitute over at a dirt patch outside at some house.

I know it sounds absurd, but I'm sure that even though "prostitute" wasn't related to the password, it could've been related to the random number generator.


I honestly, throughout the experiment, wrote on a small sheet of paper:

"I will find each new password for each night in mindraker's dreams." (something along those lines; and this was before you stuck to just one password instead)

"I will find Mindraker in his dreams."

There were a few others, but they had the same intention.

Now, I know this really isn't anything, but those art photos of Naruto Shippuden and the Scorpion....actually never mind, can't be anything related to a photograph.

I know these results did not prove anything substantial in showing that shared dreaming might be possible, but based on how my mind linked a few things mostly through random symbolism that I didn't consider (because after all, I was non-lucid in nearly all attempts). It does amaze me that despite the dream signs being simple, they did somehow associate with the process of how you figured out the password, and aspects hinting the actual password.

Either way, I would like to be the host if you want this time.

I mean, I practically recall my dreams almost every morning/middle of the night, since it's just one thing I can never give up on anymore (because I hate waking up in the morning feeling like the average joe who doesn't remember anything).

My recall is okay, I focus a lot on emotions and the environment, and can extend on and on if parts are really stuck on my head.

I know the number of entries themselves aren't enough to validate anything, except that I can recall most of the time when I wake up (or just calm down and think about things for a while).

Should I make myself the host this time, and set out a password this time? And let others try to find me or find hints to the password?

I could even make a list of the majority of my dream signs, to serve as archetypes to hopefully get someone to possibly link themselves into my dreams?

What do you say? I spend every morning typing dreams (most of the time), and basically forget them (and I mean that in a passive way) all the time unless it's something important (lucid of course, or just really hilarious situations).

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to keep this going in this thread right?

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

I'm glad to have participated in this, I apologize for not posting much on the thread, but I figured that you were the type to still read DJ entries anyway. I honestly thought my dreams were too random to even be considered at a possible link to the password.

I figured that after observing my dreams from all of my entries, that my mind does give me what I want to achieve, in very very VERY vague ways that takes me a while to finally get a light bulb in my head. I'm sorry if I didn't analyze my dreams more, but they were just so random. Though the one that still intrigues me is the "Pink Bunny outfit" and "Elizabeth" post I made after you posted one password to be "Pink Elephant."

Anyway, I'm glad this experiment was set up, to me, even though it did not show enough of "finding a person in their dream" and "synching their sleep periods," it is amazing that even when non-lucid, even when logic is basically passive, that my mind still managed to pick off certain cues and hints to the password.

But, and please pardon me when I say this, when you picked the random number generator, I can't help but think that the number "69" was there, and the fact that I had a dream where I threw a prostitute over at a dirt patch outside at some house.

I know it sounds absurd, but I'm sure that even though "prostitute" wasn't related to the password, it could've been related to the random number generator.


I honestly, throughout the experiment, wrote on a small sheet of paper:

"I will find each new password for each night in mindraker's dreams." (something along those lines; and this was before you stuck to just one password instead)

"I will find Mindraker in his dreams."

There were a few others, but they had the same intention.

Now, I know this really isn't anything, but those art photos of Naruto Shippuden and the Scorpion....actually never mind, can't be anything related to a photograph.

I know these results did not prove anything substantial in showing that shared dreaming might be possible, but based on how my mind linked a few things mostly through random symbolism that I didn't consider (because after all, I was non-lucid in nearly all attempts). It does amaze me that despite the dream signs being simple, they did somehow associate with the process of how you figured out the password, and aspects hinting the actual password.

Either way, I would like to be the host if you want this time.

I mean, I practically recall my dreams almost every morning/middle of the night, since it's just one thing I can never give up on anymore (because I hate waking up in the morning feeling like the average joe who doesn't remember anything).

My recall is okay, I focus a lot on emotions and the environment, and can extend on and on if parts are really stuck on my head.

I know the number of entries themselves aren't enough to validate anything, except that I can recall most of the time when I wake up (or just calm down and think about things for a while).

Should I make myself the host this time, and set out a password this time? And let others try to find me or find hints to the password?

I could even make a list of the majority of my dream signs, to serve as archetypes to hopefully get someone to possibly link themselves into my dreams?

What do you say? I spend every morning typing dreams (most of the time), and basically forget them (and I mean that in a passive way) all the time unless it's something important (lucid of course, or just really hilarious situations).

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to keep this going in this thread right?

I'd be quite interested if there were another test! Perhaps, though, we should start another thread. A clean slate. Start anew.

I'm kind of curious about the "pink elephant", too, I don't know what to make of it, but I kind of f***ed that up by posting the password too early on the board that morning, if we remember. I can't honestly use your dream journal post that day from after when I posted the password, as much as I want to, even if you are a 100% honest person who didn't look at the thread before writing your dream journal, etc.
Scientifically, I *have* to toss that result out. But it was on the second pilot run night anyway.

Alright, no problem! I'll start a thread myself, and hopefully follow the same guidelines as you did.

I'll be deleting this post, and then post something new in here with the link to the thread. Might take a while, but I think you'll like it. Most of it will be like how people get information in the IOSDP, so it won't be any attempt from me trying to be "unique" or anything of that sort.

EDIT:

Lol, guess I don't need to delete this because I thought I'd finish the other thread before someone posted.

Good luck... you'll need it trying to keep everyone happy.

Dear Linkzelda

Thank you for participating and I can't wait to have a go with your experiment.

I find the below very motivating.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

I'm glad to have participated in this, I apologize for not posting much on the thread, but I figured that you were the type to still read DJ entries anyway. I honestly thought my dreams were too random to even be considered at a possible link to the password.

I figured that after observing my dreams from all of my entries, that my mind does give me what I want to achieve, in very very VERY vague ways that takes me a while to finally get a light bulb in my head.

I'm sorry if I didn't analyze my dreams more, but they were just so random.

Though the one that still intrigues me is the "Pink Bunny outfit" and "Elizabeth" post I made after you posted one password to be "Pink Elephant."

Anyway, I'm glad this experiment was set up, to me, even though it did not show enough of "finding a person in their dream" and "synching their sleep periods," it is amazing that even when non-lucid, even when logic is basically passive, that my mind still managed to pick off certain cues and hints to the password.

But, and please pardon me when I say this, when you picked the random number generator, I can't help but think that the number "69" was there, and the fact that I had a dream where I threw a prostitute over at a dirt patch outside at some house.

I know it sounds absurd, but I'm sure that even though "prostitute" wasn't related to the password, it could've been related to the random number generator.


I honestly, throughout the experiment, wrote on a small sheet of paper:

"I will find each new password for each night in mindraker's dreams."

(something along those lines; and this was before you stuck to just one password instead)

"I will find Mindraker in his dreams."

There were a few others, but they had the same intention.

(...)

I know these results did not prove anything substantial in showing that shared dreaming might be possible, but based on how my mind linked a few things mostly through random symbolism that I didn't consider (because after all, I was non-lucid in nearly all attempts).

It does amaze me that despite the dream signs being simple, they did somehow associate with the process of how you figured out the password, and aspects hinting the actual password.

Either way, I would like to be the host if you want this time.

I mean, I practically recall my dreams almost every morning/middle of the night, since it's just one thing I can never give up on anymore (because I hate waking up in the morning feeling like the average joe who doesn't remember anything).

(...)

Should I make myself the host this time, and set out a password this time? And let others try to find me or find hints to the password?

I could even make a list of the majority of my dream signs, to serve as archetypes to hopefully get someone to possibly link themselves into my dreams?

What do you say?

I spend every morning typing dreams (most of the time), and basically forget them (and I mean that in a passive way) all the time unless it's something important (lucid of course, or just really hilarious situations).

and

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

Alright, no problem! I'll start a thread myself, and hopefully follow the same guidelines as you did.

I'll be deleting this post, and then post something new in here with the link to the thread. Might take a while, but I think you'll like it.

Most of it will be like how people get information in the IOSDP, so it won't be any attempt from me trying to be "unique" or anything of that sort.

here is the next bit of Robert L. Van de Castle's beautifull paper.

Paragraph 30 (D)

But

the most impressive finding was the dream correspondences displayed between the dreamers

on objects

and themes

that were not shown in any of the target stimuli.

Paragraph 31 next.

Link to thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/what-y...ml#post1931305

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/passwo...9/#post1931326

Hope to see you there!

Now I feel guilty for not trying harder. I had a hard time remembering to search for a password in the few lucids I've had recently.

Originally Posted by dms111

Now I feel guilty for not trying harder. I had a hard time remembering to search for a password in the few lucids I've had recently.

Hope to see you in LinkZelda's dreams! So far, it's been an interesting experiment!

Mindracker

Look, Look, Look, Your first target was Rubics Cube. My fourth was a rubics cube in 2009.



I put a big sign on all my targets. I called the sign a “Unique Zone-in Number”. I meant to keep this up for hundreads of targets so the number was 001 002 etc. After the number I put the reveal date so they read:

001: 30 Sept 09 (rubbish bin)
002: 21Oct 09 (Tibetan salt rock)
003: 28 Oct 09 (onions)
004: 4 Nov 09 (Rubik's cube)

Below was my first Dream target



A participant got a dream with long white tube thingies and I felt sorry that my only participant hand busted so bad because the target was the boarding house (where I live) kitchen recycle rubbish bin.

Then I remembered the used florescent lights behind the wheely bins. Those tubes had been there for months because they need to go to the dump and that only gets done when there is a build up of big rubbish like old furniture and broken TV's. So I took the recycle bin out of the kitchen and put it near the big wheely bins and took this picture (hahaah)

The second target was A Tibetan Salt Rock Crystal:



No one participated in the target above but I got a man post a dream for the first and a nun posted a dream for the one below (I think) I can't remember now.



I also woke up to this funny song which made me choose onions as the next target back then.

Susan Christie - I Love Onions - 1966 - YouTube

Uploaded by wilown01 on Apr 14, 2009
This is a fun song sung by Susan Christie.

Song Lyrics:

I don't like snails, or toads, or frogs, Or strange things living under logs, But, mmm, I love onions.

I don't like dancin' with crazy Ted, He's always jumpin' on my head, But, mmm, I love onions.

Onions, onions, la la la. Onions, onions, ha ha ha. Root toot doodle-ee-oot doot doo doot.

Onions, onions, la la la. Onions, onions, ha ha ha. Root toot doodle-ee-oot doot doo doot.

I don't like rain, or snow, or hail, Or Moby Dick, the great white whale, But, mmm, I love onions.

I don't like shoes that pinch your toes, Or people who squirt you with a garden hose,But, mmm, I love onions.

Onions, onions, la la la. Onions, onions, ha ha ha. Root toot doodle-ee-oot doot doo doot.

Onions, onions, la la la. Onions, onions, ha ha ha. Root toot doodle-ee-oot doot doo doot. Yeah!

The onion is a tuberous vegetable and is a member of the genus stinkus delicioso. It was highly prized by the ancient Egyptian pharaohs, and their friends and cousins-a. They cause watering of the eyes and rubifaction of the skin, but it is very, very tasty. (huhuh)

Onions, onions, la la la. Onions, onions, ha ha ha. Root toot doodle-ee-oot doot doo doot.

Onions, onions, la la la. Onions, onions, ha ha ha. Root toot doodle-ee-oot doot doo doot.

How vewwy, vewwy cwude!

LOL, that's awesome. Thanks for putting that picture up.