Thread: "Dream Demons"

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Yeah, people freak out, they're afraid you're opening the gates of hell and unleashing a demonic apocalypse.

I guess you've seen that I'm against psychedelic use, for reasons I've explained at length elsewhere. So much so that I'd rather not know about supernatural stuff than learn about it that way. This puts me in a little bit of a quandary because I want any experiential knowledge you have which I lack, but I don't want to be a hypocrite about where it came from. And since most of my knowledge is gained empathetically, I actually don't know how much I'm dependent on drug users for my own meditative experiences anyway, it could be significant. I hope that I haven't been too much of an asshole about this, and hope that we can just disagree where we disagree and respect each other as human beings. I try to adequately respect what you do know and who you are, even though I can't completely reconcile that goal with my other values. Sometimes there's just conflict inherent in the differences in our perspectives, we can't do anything about it.

In any case, if anyone doubts your experience on account of your being high when you have it, or because you don't have a rigorously scientific mindset, you can point to people like me who took a more skeptical, sober approach and learned many of the same things.

I've started some threads on demons in the past. Didn't always get a lot of responses.

You'd be suprised how much i agree with you. I never took offense at you although i have felt harsh feelings in my heart when i have tried to assess your prescence. But i never felt those feelings aren't able to be reconciled. I treasure differences and thrive on them whilist trying to find a middle way in which both parties are able to be transformed. I can not ever agree to disagree for to my mind there is only truth. I would only agree to disagree if i sense communication from the other party is biased and misunderstanding is based on a closed-minded attitude. Usually expressed by people i'm discussing with, but i'm sure i have my own ego biases to deal with.

The thing is that this demon of mine invaded my mind while on drugs but persisted to play a role in my dreams and imagination. I have personally linked these images to this demon but i must say it is much different from what is described sometimes as demons in lucid dreams. I'll make a short account of what happened and how i link these altered dream states to demon entities. I would fear no response at all would make me feel a little ridiculous but what the hell i don't care.

In te meanwhile i'm trying to conjure up a response to what Linkzelda has been saying but it is soo hard to get my thoughts into words. I agree with both Linkzelda but i see the truth and value in what LouiaB is saying as well, albeit she didn't prove anything, that i think is just ego projection. I believe when people speak their minds they speak the truth, the difficulty is conveying that truth into words and to be honest, not everyone seems to take the effort and time to consider if the words they present to another being is actually consistent with one's own thought-process in the ffirst place.

EDIT: Btw, i also have a viewpoint lingering around in which i try to assess a physical presence of demons and entities that i think you might find interesting. It is simply Force/friction. It hit me when i started correlating force with karma. People have known this for ages. I think the I-ching does a fine job in explaining fundementals of the universe with their ying and yang concept. The ying and yang is basically the equilevant to friction. Let me try to elaborate; When you have a balanced still-standing object you have 0 force. When it is affected one way you have either Negative or positive force. So you get ying or yang. Karma is basically the outcome of this force. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it, Apply positive force and you get good karma. Apply a LOT of positive force and you get even better karma.

The I-ching guys knew this and they came up with a method to explain karma. Atleast, i think so i haven't read the damn thing.

EDIT EDIT: Btw Shadow i didn't knew you where against psychedelic use. Coming from you, I actually respect that. It is just tiring when people resort to "You took a drug, it is not real" arguments without presenting any bias in reality aside from the Status quo belief that hallucinations are caused by the brain. Which is difficult to deny but doesn't explain the whole ordeal, science simply hasn't ventured far enough to understand what the brain actually does for consciousness.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

i have felt harsh feelings in my heart when i have tried to assess your prescence.

Yeah I have that effect on a lot of people! Not just you.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

The I-ching guys knew this and they came up with a method to explain karma. Atleast, i think so i haven't read the damn thing.

I've read in the hexagram half of the Wilhelm translation so many times I have it practically memorized, and its one of my favorite books. I think their five elements theory is mostly made up though.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

The thing is that this demon of mine invaded my mind while on drugs but persisted to play a role in my dreams and imagination.

Fairly briefly, since I must pack to move....When people experience a deja-vu moment, it seems that part of that is a felt recognition of the depth of interrelatedness of things. My 'demon', such as I have experienced it, is in many ways bigger and stronger than I am. But one of the things that's remarkable to me is the even greater power and intelligence that I glimpse through it. Its awe inspiring. Off topic maybe, but I just wanted to say that.