Darkmatters - you do exist!! 
I just don't find a lot of objectionable things in your posts - except that I can't quite see, how you manage to fit telepathy into your world-view which otherwise seems based in evolutionary thinking.
I almost feel like apologizing, that I'm not in the mood of expounding on my view on evolution clashing with supernaturalism in more detail right now, as I had announced, nor take on more posts, as I had planned to do. Just one thing - why don't we see telepathy effecting animal behaviour? Is it something uniquely human? We don't see relevant effects of it in humans, either, for that matter - if minds would do this - the world would be a very different place...
But heck, rambling about in here is a hobby after all - this is what I did feel like writing - here goes:
 Originally Posted by Anok
First, I'd like to start with your idea that "a brain can wireless subconsciously contact other brains," because it relates quite well to one of the most supported topics of the parapsychology community: telepathy. As a matter of fact, parapsychology may have been the study of telepathy because people occasionally consciously believe that it is occurring from time to time, but the actual data which parapsychologists adamantly claim is significant is largely unconscious. This means that telepathy is, properly understood, a usually-unconscious phenomenon which happens to be experienced consciously on occasion (like, say, REM atonia or changes of heart rate).
Okay - what I was reading through your trying to argue against IronicAtheist (not "IronicSkeptic" ), was that you think SP to be something other than an evolutionarily useful protection-mechanism. Now you say, it constitutes a conscious experience related to telepathy/wireless-somethings going on, do I get that correctly? I've been asking you to tell me, what you actually meant to express by arguing against his example of dreamers potentially falling out of trees - do you dismiss my take on it as well?
I ask you again - please let us know, how you conceptualize SP!
Besides this curiosity - what you do here, is acknowledge, that there has been parapsychological research going on, and indeed it has. It's not so, that people, who want to do science around this topic are unable to do so for lack of money and because of of the connected stigma. There's more than a century of ongoings to be re-viewed, and more of a century of critique and debunking has been going on as well.
So to say that it's the fault of modern science not taking the topic seriously and hence we have no good data is moot.
What about those data, which parapsychologists adamantly claim?
Given the fact, that in order to accommodate the idea of this wireless communication you needed to find a whole new branch of physics in order to find the medium, besides a whole new field of neuroscience in order to find encoding/sending/receiving mechanisms - you need a very, very good reason in order to go about searching for those, wouldn't you say?
And to all my knowledge, and considering, that the endeavour didn't start yesterday, there is no such thing as convincing evidence to the effect, that this phenomenon actually exists, consciously or unconsciously, awake or asleep - anywhere.
You are the one - it looks so at least - to make an extraordinary claim. What would be needed to go on discussing the matter would be actual data, studies including how exactly they have been set up and what methods of analysis have been brought to bear.
You say, you are a scientist yourself - so I suppose, you are well aware of the fact, that it is all too easy to come to almost any conclusion you like by either consciously or unconsciously manipulating data - flaws in study-setup and procedure, like not double-blinding, using statistics in incompetent or plain dishonest ways etc.
What you can't claim, is that the scientific community ultimately rejects proper data on the basis of dogmatic thinking. If they do so when they see data that seemingly show something, which they don't believe, or don't want to believe, we are all humans after all - they go about trying to debunk it. And most of the time this works. But sometimes it doesn't and that's why lucid dreaming is now established scientific fact, and an extremely interesting one at that, so that more and more studies are being done these days, esp. in Germany by the way. "We", as in the scientific community, also have come to realize that hypnosis is more than simple suggestibility and hokuspokus - it's an actually different state of mind, discernible on EEG. This was exactly the stuff, classical science has been initially reacting allergically to, but meanwhile both phenomena are fully accepted as real throughout the community.
So why not with parapsychology as well - after more than a century of feverish activity? Because it can't be shown to work, what is there can get debunked and/or isn't repeatable.
It's up to you to present me with what you consider relevant evidence, before it makes sense to further get into it.
Furthermore, telepathic communication is not 100% effective. As an example, in experiments where a telepathic "receiver" in an experimental condition of sensory deprivation was to choose between 1 of 4 possible "sent" images based on their experience during deprivation, they score ~7% above chance. This is small, yes, and if these people are intentionally putting themselves into passive, receptive altered states of consciousness in order to notice a subtle phenomenon, then it is EXTREMELY unlikely that most people will experience this phenomenon accurately and consciously enough that they will be convinced it is not just chance.
But under these conditions, it is not just chance. The 7% number comes from a cumulative statistical analysis of 88 experiments conducted by scientists making a serious effort to be scientific and professional, consisting of ~3000 sessions. The odds that the number is due to chance are ridiculously small. But, as I have been trying to explain, there is a prejudice against this line of inquiry, and a popular annoyance that such experiments are conducted, and a general lack of funding for novel or better equipped research... a shame, because the most valid claims against such studies I have encountered are lack of replication and state of the art equipment to reduce error.
Please provide us with a source - how can we talk about data, without knowing how they came to be gathered and analysed?!
But I digress! The fact of the matter is that if you are willing to entertain the possibility of telepathic effects, then dream worlds, out of body experiences, and shared dreaming are all coherent within a telepathic model. Firstly, if telepathy is largely unconscious, and in experimental settings can be interpreted more consciously when sensory deprivation and altered states of consciousness are employed, then conscious sleep phenomena during neurochemical-induced sensory deprivation is, quite rationally, a fantastic candidate for the experience of telepathic effects.
"If you are willing to entertain" - yep - in order to entertain such a thing - I would need clear and non-ambivalent evidence, which shows me, I'm not wasting my time!
Of course it is not normally that great because people often don't remember any dreams, usually don't remember as many as they could, have been "skeptically" conditioned to attach little meaning to them, and are very rarely lucid. But in principle, telepathy should be more noticeable in dreams, and it is a reasonable hypothesis that a lucid dreamer may have an unparalleled conscious access to telepathic perceptions.
Sceptically conditioned? You would probably be very surprised, how many "sceptical" lucid dreamers are roaming around on this site alone. I was, to be honest. Anyway - scepticism and disregarding dreams as such is not exactly going hand in hand - not at all, actually. What does go hand in hand is doubting up to out-right denying any supernatural properties of dreams - of anything for that matter. And that on good grounds in my view.
Shared Dreams, Dream World(s), OBE, and a Telepathic Model
In well-developed systems I have encountered, a "dream world" almost never is conceptualized as you conceptualize it in your original post, like some distant and alien physical world. It is usually conceptualized as a part of normal reality that is simply on a different regime or perhaps composed of a different substance that is not yet well understood. In a telepathic model, the regime would be the human mind, and its substance would be something conductive of phenomenal experience. Shared dreaming is a necessary precursor to such a dream world.
Now that's interesting - I have seen quite many attempts at "a well developed system" fall on their faces. So if you know of any note-worthy conceptual frameworks, making conclusive sense of such phenomena, at least internally - please present them to us!
If "a brain can wireless subconsciously contact other brains," and evidence suggests that this contact is synchronized thinking, and this contact occurs in a dream, this would constitute shared dreaming. There might even be a difference of what exactly is communicated, leaving a slight margin of error in two reports of the same shared dream. Although we would need to assume that completely different accounts showed no evidence of a shared dream, there is nothing precluding the possibility that one dreamer was a bad receiver, while the other was a very good receiver (or lucid dreamer, or whatever).
This sort of reasoning smacks of non-scientific thinking - what about interpreting no evidence for a specific dream having been shared as - it hasn't been shared? I'm not saying, it is inconceivable that there is a phenomenon of bad/good receiving - what I say is that your way of putting it sets my confirmation-bias alarms off.
What would preclude multiple brains' interaction in this way? Until someone can give me a good reason, it seems reasonable to speculate that group "conversations" can also occur. Perhaps this is limited in some way by the proximity of brains to one another (some parapsychologists disagree, but I don't mind). If that is so, then space truly exists in the dream world, but is dependent not on physical space, but on localization of humans in that physical space... and even then there is nothing to preclude distant contact with others, since your "wireless" brains don't seem too different in principle from wireless telephones, to me, with which I can call someone from across the world.
And as far as out of body experiences, you actually did my work for me there. What precludes us from experiencing each others' memories? In fact, if both telepathy and stored memory are largely unconscious most of the time, they're practically in bed with one another already. Interestingly, this idea would account for both the errors of perception reported by many people who have actually experienced OBEs, as well as the less common reports of objectively verifiable perception from OBEs, because memories of real experiences, while imperfect, tend towards reality, and if you are receiving telepathic input from multiple sources about a real place, error of perception should be reduced.
First of all - think back to DeviantThinker's thoughts on "noise". So this is supposedly almost all going on unconsciously - how would you tune in to somebody? This is a general problem - there are so many assumptions which have to be claimed ad hoc for this whole thing to fly, it's mind-boggling.
Then another thing, an argument, I have made somewhere else in more detail and might try and dig out again.
You are saying, that esp. in lucid dreams, it's possible to steer this to an extent, or even specifically so that you can enter somebody's dreamworld, or meet in some sort of common psychic sphere of existence - and you can communicate, you can influence people. Wouldn't it be logical to propose, that if this possibility existed, there would have been all through history evil masters of this craft? If you can share dreams of a person, you didn't ask beforehand - you can "invade dreams", too, right? Cause nightmares, make them afraid of and obedient to you in real life, haunting them?
Where are the records of that? Wouldn't culture in general have noticed if communion of this kind would be going on, but esp. the "black sheep" and their effects?
I'll leave it at that for now - but sender-receiver identification/location/noise-free tuning in are extremely difficult to propose, and you won't be able to deny the abuse-potential for the whole affair as well.
Your thoughts? Is "dream-invasion" and causing havoc in other people's unconscious minds possible - yes or no?
And of course, since the substance of this world is based on human thought, it is malleable to human experience. But this does not make us "GOD" as you point out. I am sure you are aware by now how difficult it actually is to control lucid dreams effectively, and if you ever decide to try for OBEs to see if the claims that the experiences are markedly different have validity, I am sure you will find this to be even more complicated - which is predicted by a telepathic model of these phenomena by the necessity of someone being a good telepathic receiver to experience anything I have been talking about, and not just a normal lucid dream in your own brain, composed of your own experiences.
This is of course not an "of course" - how scientific of you to claim knowing what the substance of the world actually is! Last I heard it was about QM, RT and Chromodynamics...
Besides - yes - there are people who can do anything they want in lucid dreams. Would you please provide us with an example, as to what is impossible in LDs in your opinion, which would thus demonstrate that one does not have godlike powers in LDs?
The markedly different experiential qualities of a WILD with starting out in the logical place, lying in your bed, and then making use of your pre-set schema of such affairs, namely solving "yourself" out of your "physical body" seem to be well explainable. For once - you don't get lucid in a dream, which had you un-self-conscious directly before, but you come directly from waking consciousness and such a higher degree of lucidity and realism tend to follow. That connected with expectations as to the special nature of the event is completely sufficient here.
Of course, because double-blind studies have been so useful to strictly physical science, it's easy to make fun of the notion that the participant should be blinded but that the research confederates should all be as informed as possible. It's almost as uncomfortable as the notion that, if consciousness plays such a role in psi, researchers who are prejudiced against the notion of its existence are more likely to produced contaminated reproductions of experiments.
Look - if you are going to refer to only singly blinded studies - I will indeed dismiss them. Are you aware of Dr. Persinger and his god-helmet for example? I've come to look into his affairs a bit more intensely in another context, and that's exactly where his results went to pot. Especially when it is about consciousness, it is absolutely necessary, it's crucial to double blind anything - this effect of the one conducting experiments being in the know has been demonstrated to death - if you can't exclude this as the source of the effect - you have nil and nothing whatsoever in your hands. It's bunk, if it doesn't work double-blindedly, sorry, and you should know that as a self-proclaimed actual scientist.
still think there's something to be said about the physicalist philosophy behind current sciences not accounting for phenomenal consciousness stuff like qualia but I'm tired of typing for now, haha.
Once you'll get back to that - if you will - I'll provide you with some links.
Edit: Sorry @Verre - the article you linked up to doesn't strike me as convincing evidence for dream-telepathy, even without seeing the details of the study. Showing people a picture of a person with multiple problems and then asking them to dream of these problems and coming up with an unusually high seeming frequency of correct hits could mean multiple things. Maybe that the unconscious mind is very good at picking up visual clues for say her arthritis, which the conscious mind wouldn't come up with for one thing. If you wish - we can try and roll this case up more properly, upon reading this secondary report on the actual study - I don't feel overly motivated to do so.
But I don't want to come across as evasive - so let me know, if you are unsatisfied with my superficial dismissal - we could of course dig deeper into it! 
 Originally Posted by DeviantThinker
I've recently heard of the concept of persistant realms where you can enter dream worlds that have completely consistant laws that you can't break, events occur idependantly of your conscious attention and you can re-enter these worlds right from where you left off last time you slept. While persistant simulated worlds are far more plausible than visiting literal worlds in your dreams, I find myself a tad skeptical if this is really possible. Has anyone here experienced persistant realsm and if so, what are the steps to enter one. I may try once I am reasonably persistant at lucid dreaming and stablization.
Very good question - there are people claiming this, but none of them active on the forum at the moment as far as I know. I believe it is possible to convince yourself of that it is so, and thus acting out your dream-control in ways that keep up the illusion, but it does feel a bit fishy to me as well.
I feel similarly about the whole tulpa concept, even while I have been getting into conversations on it under the assumption, that it could be real - I'm still harbouring significant doubts if such a degree of engineering your own mind is actually possible.
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