Effects of hallucinogens/mind altering substances on dreams.

[Dreamzilla]

Have any of you experimentented with dosing with hallucinogens or other mind altering substances during(perhaps through 3rd party providing the dose) or right before going to sleep? If so, what effects did that have on your dreams? Back when i was younger i had pretty crazy dreams after falling asleep on dxm(only used dxm a few times and that is waay behind me. I would still be willing to try certain drugs to explore various altered states but never have and probably never will use drugs recreationally.) I have also had some weird drunken dreams after falling asleep full of alcohol. Btw, don't drink and fly! =) Never had the chance to try this with something more powerful like shrooms, lsd, dmt, ect.. though interestingly taking various drugs within the dream(without actually taking the drugs irl) tends to almost always experience strange altered states which seem to be somehow more than mere placebo effects and sometimes can remain active for a short while even after waking up.

[cooleymd]

When I take high doses of Melatonin I will sometimes get insomnia, but begin to see sharp images. They are not weird or distorted, but ultra sharp crisp clear images. I will be laying full awake and aware of my real body, but an image of something or someone will just pop into existence or zoom in. It isn't like a picture tho, it is just like a real thing. They look like nearby ultra-realistic dream objects but if you attempt to do something like reach a dream hand for them your real hand will move instead because still awake. I have had one where I did see my 'dream' hands interacting with one. It was a flip book and I was flipping it then stuck the other hand in to open it further and began to flip again. One of the most fascinating was a conveyor belt with boxes and things on it. Usually it is in the form of a person who just zooms in is there for a second or two and then zooms away.

[Mantic]

I've read on reddit that shrooms "pcilocybin" induce extremely vivid lucid dreams and dreams in general due to their assistance/aid in the reaction to DMT.

[Sivason]

Disclaimer: Sivason is an upstanding citizen, and does not do drugs, but did enough "way back in the day" The truth is that such things disrupt your brain so intensly that it would be hard to call what results dreams rather than hallucinations. I had a few experiences of floating in space and seeing patterns and wierd things, but the concept of dreaming was just not in there. No dreams in the normal sense, just crazy mental noise. My conclussion is that they may give interesting effects on meditation, they are terrible as far as any kind of dream aid.

[Mantic]

Disclaimer: Sivason is an upstanding citizen, and does not do drugs, but did enough "way back in the day" The truth is that such things disrupt your brain so intensly that it would be hard to call what results dreams rather than hallucinations. I had a few experiences of floating in space and seeing patterns and wierd things, but the concept of dreaming was just not in there. No dreams in the normal sense, just crazy mental noise. My conclussion is that they may give interesting effects on meditation, they are terrible as far as any kind of dream aid. That may be true, but shrooms are very different according to a variety of sources, they actually stimulate the dream gland which produces DMT which = dreams, and many people on "Erowid" have stated that shrooms in very small doses amplify the range of awareness in dreams, and detract from the interference of your conscious ego which attempts to remember the dreams by construing a linear time frame for them, which apparently leads to intensely vivid and saturated dreams.

[Sivason]

ok, but not in my experiences. I seriously doubt any connection between shrooms and release of DMT. I also doubt the existance of "dream gland"

[Mantic]

ok, but not in my experiences. I seriously doubt any connection between shrooms and release of DMT. I also doubt the existance of "dream gland" As for the resemblance between pcilocybin (pcilocin [shrooms]) and the dream chemical (DMT) this picture relates the two to be extremely similar in chemical compound terms, they're also both similar to serotonin and tryptophan. When pcilocybin is ingested it converts to pcilocin, it (4-HO-DMT) is almost identical to dimethyltriptamine (DMT). as you can see, the only difference is one Oxygen and Hydrogen atom. Being almost exact, all three chemicals produce very similar experiences (states of consciousness), serotonin is the structure of your waking life hologram, while dmt is your sleeping life hologram. (essentially the same illusion). This dream gland is the pineal gland, it's a real gland in your brain which doctors have documented to excrete key biological clock (circadian rhythms) hormones, melotonin, serotonin, dmt, and other significantly influential chemicals. These chemicals are what propagate the illusion of time and eternity, they are like the singularity of your brain, and dictate a lot of important bodily functions. This gland is also one of your 7 main glands, and spiritually this equates to the 5th chakra, hence the third eye nickname. This gland devolved into what it is today due to over intoxication from heavy metals such as fluoride, etc... In some animals this gland still has a cornea, lens, and eyelid. Being an eye, it represents a black hole, and in that way it can correspond to a singularity (only connection) between your two brain hemispheres. in case you were wondering how it produces the rest of those chemicals is by the process of biosynthesis illustrated here:

[Sivason]

Thanks for showing the molecules, it is definitely clear that the chemicals have "the same skeleton" I am glad you are trying to be helpful, and that you are showing diagrams. I will not engage in a debate really, as I have doctorate level classes under my belt in Biochemistry, Medicinal Chemistry, and Human Physiology, I think it is unfair for me to ruin a thread that is supposed to be fun, by blasting any of the things you have said. It is all interesting. I am pretty sure in general, that the only source of a link between DMT and dreaming, is a book with little legitimate scientific facts (DMT: The Spirit Molecule), but the subject is fun to speculate about. Those chemicals work to make us high because of the similar shape they have to serotonin. They basically jam in the receptor sites that serotonin interacts with and keeping it forced into the on position much longer than normal. The structural similarity can also be found in LSD and Mescaline, although it is hard to see when looking at LSD (it is there if you know what to look for)

[Mantic]

Thanks for showing the molecules, it is definitely clear that the chemicals have "the same skeleton" I am glad you are trying to be helpful, and that you are showing diagrams. I will not engage in a debate really, as I have doctorate level classes under my belt in Biochemistry, Medicinal Chemistry, and Human Physiology, I think it is unfair for me to ruin a thread that is supposed to be fun, by blasting any of the things you have said. It is all interesting. I am pretty sure in general, that the only source of a link between DMT and dreaming, is a book with little legitimate scientific facts (DMT: The Spirit Molecule), but the subject is fun to speculate about. Those chemicals work to make us high because of the similar shape they have to serotonin. They basically jam in the receptor sites that serotonin interacts with and keeping it forced into the on position much longer than normal. The structural similarity can also be found in LSD and Mescaline, although it is hard to see when looking at LSD (it is there if you know what to look for) Yeah i don't have those degrees to back my arguments but the resemblance doesn't take much to see, there might be no true documentation about how DMT links to dreams but there are a lot of theories. I'm not really one to argue about something I have no clue about, but there have been studies showing that DMT excretions occur during REM sleep and daydreams, and it has been found in various animals through scientific analysis of their sleep. It also is a hormone which saturates the colors in your waking and sleeping life by increasing their vividness. It might not be agreed upon just yet, but i'm pretty confident people didn't just make up the various links between REM sleep and DMT.