Thread: Shared-Dreaming Debate of 2015

No experiment can ever prove shared dreaming. It could only point towards some unexplainable exchange of information. A profound psychic could pick up on information from clear across the world as easily as across the room, if you believe the same schools of mystic thought as I do. Distance is not an issue (and does not actually exist). An exchange of information may point towards one of the two subjects having some form of ESP and not shared dreaming. Would that still be cool? Of course, but it would not prove dreaming was shared.

Zoth's original point has little merit when talking about subjects with unclear mechanisms and potential as well as questionable existence. We can not have such discussions but say it must be limited to standard science and limit the metaphysical aspects. It may seem unfair to some, because you can not disprove or even refute a statement that is based on concepts of spirituality, by the inherent 'unknowability' of those subjects.

But hey, look at me, I just said that distance does not exist with a straight face (you can not see it, but it is very straight, lol) Who could even begin to take me seriously if I say such over whelming non-sense? Yet, I am an educated man, with decades of experience in "mystical" things, and honestly believe that as much as I believe the sky is Blue. Wait, I may as well say the sky appears blue, because "there is no sky" in the same way, "there is no distance." On top of that I just used the statement, " with decades of experience in "mystical" things," so now my validity is laughable at best.

I get that it is a crappy thing to debate 'beliefs' that can not be demonstrated, and brings on the exact thing Sageous asks to avoid, but perhaps certain topic are just going to be that way.

No offense intend towards Zoth who is one of my favorite members and has a valid point, if one that may be asking too much here.

Originally Posted by sivason

I get that it is a crappy thing to debate 'beliefs' that can not be demonstrated, and brings on the exact thing Sageous asks to avoid, but perhaps certain topic are just going to be that way.

Yes, that is probably true...but if people say they believe in SD, and then argue and defend that belief as you do yours, Sivason, well, the debate ought to move along just fine.

Originally Posted by sivason

No experiment can ever prove shared dreaming. It could only point towards some unexplainable exchange of information....An exchange of information may point towards one of the two subjects having some form of ESP and not shared dreaming. Would that still be cool? Of course, but it would not prove dreaming was shared.

If you prove ESP, that's good enough. The ESP that you would be able to prove would involve the same kind of deep psychological experience that is reflected in a 'shared dream'.