If this was just a dream then why....

[michael79]

Hi, I have a strange experience some months back, I will try to be short and constructive. I did my normal WILD/AP routine and enter directly, I set foot on unfamiliar street and look around to where to go. After 15 minutes walking down the street, I reach a place with many people which were gathered for some event, I think it was for a funeral. An old lady was giving a speech from a tribune, about the town and how each person from this community is very dear to her and despite the circumstances all of them must work for the greater good or something like that. When she finished talking they rang a big Bell and everyone start scattering around. It seems she saw me first and came straight to me, before I tried to ask her what is this place and where am I, she made a silence sign "shhh don't say anything they are watching, I know you are not from here, this place is not safe for you, you must leave before they notice you. If you still want to contact me and talk with me, here.", she gave me a golden ticket "with this you can connect to me anytime, now go", she left. Of course I wasn't satisfied with this half assed explanation, so I stay and look around for clues in the building where the funeral service was held, nothing looked out of the ordinary, a boy was cleaning the place, it was no bigger than fourteen, I tried to talk with him. "Mister you are not from here, didn't you?", "How you know?" I asked him, "You are giving a strange energy vibe, which I don't recognize, you must leave this place at once, it's dangerous for you, they are always watching, I must not talk with you". "Who are they?" I asked, "The Hunters, they are guarding this place from all outsiders and they prevent anyone to leave this place, they are super strong and are immortal.". "But why they are doing this, I'm just a peaceful traveler?", "Don't ask more questions, just go!" the boy said. In that very moment a man-sized portal appeared and a tall strong man in pure white clothes (long robes with a black belt) appeared, he had a long white hair and pure blue eyeballs, he raised his hand towards me "You must be eliminated!", "You must run mister, run!" the boy shouted at me. I tried to make him disappear or to change the scenery, but I didn't have any control over this space, so the only option was self defense, I took a battle form(I'm not sure but always in lucid dream or AP, I'm very combat experienced). He attack me furiously, he was also very experienced in martial arts, I can't relay the battle because it was too intense and everything was happening too fast, he couldn't take me down with just hand to hand combat, so make a strange thing, from a small portal he took a two black rods and start attacking me with them, these rods were extremely durable and he had an infinity storage from them it seems, after at least 10 minutes of intense battle, I started to become sloppy in my movements and my wounds were accumulating. His next attack surpriced me, he slash my both eyes and I lost my vision(now if this was a dream, it must have ended there, but it didn't), it was very dry moment so I jump back a little, I couldn't see anything so I just focus my intention to feel and something happen, I sensed his heart beating and energy flowing through it. I let him stab me on purpose and I grabbed his hand and with my other hand I pierced directly through his heart, he fell on the ground dead. To my surprise his heart turned into a crystal ball(maybe his core energy), I swallowed it, all my wounds and eyes healed away, my colorful vision came back. Nothing of the scenery had changed, the boy was surprised and said "What are you, mister? How you killed a Hunter, but that doesn't matter, Hunters are immortal, when one die, the closest person from us turn into one of them and top of that they learn from everything they experience and evolve, run Mister, run!". The body of the boy started to morph into one of them, only seconds later he completely became one of them. He immediately open a little portal and start throwing black rods at me. I thought "second round, no f***ing way" and wish to immediately return to my body, I woke up seconds later. Damn I loss the golden ticket. I'm sorry but normal dreams doesn't act like that, that was way of the scale! Why the *dream* was so solid and nothing change when I lose my vision and I am sorry but those *DC's* didn't look and act like an ordinary DC's.

[Occipitalred]

About danger In those moments, I think back to my mantra for when I was scared of ghosts as a child "If ghosts were real, dangerous and wanted me dead, I would already be dead". I love this mantra for feeling safe. "If they wanted me dead, I'd already be dead" I hope you can adjust your interpretation of that experience in a way that you can feel safe and continue exploring dreaming in a state of curiosity and awe. About the why The way we experience the world is not direct. The information about the world and ourselves is processed by our body/brain and our experience is constructed via those complicated mechanisms. So everything you experience in waking life, it's not only because it exists in the world, but because your brain is able to construct the experience of it. Anything we can experience is conceivable by our brain. So, do not put arbitrary limits on what a dream can be. A dream can be described as stable, solid, surprising. I think we should meet that discovery with amazement. You can recognize this experience as something beyond dreaming because you are an experienced astral projector but if you are wondering how this is possible: dreams can be this way. Dreams are not all the same. Also, dreams are not dependent on sight. There's little reason removing sight should affect the rest. When I started lucid dreaming and my vision would often go black after the lucid "Aha moment", my strategy was to continue exploring that same dream by touching my way around and wait for vision to come back. I think it was also the main practice discussed by the other members here on the forum. Stay safe and have fun!

[michael79]

About danger I'm sorry but where did you see, I was afraid? Stay safe and have fun! With that you could hit 99% of the people out there, but unfortunately I belong to that 1% who don't do it to "be safe and have fun".

[Occipitalred]

I'm sorry but where did you see, I was afraid? Sorry for assuming. I like to follow your astral adventures. Those I read seemed characterized by high stakes like risking not making it back to your body alive. I would be afraid. I'm curious if you ever made it to the Lucid Crossroads. Have you heard of it? I guess it's old but it's always seemed like a great wholesome place to go astral project to and there's even a martial arts dojo which is right up in your alley. I'm curious what your thoughts are on that place and I'd definitely want to read a journey of yours there, though I don't deserve it (I do want it). With that you could hit 99% of the people out there, but unfortunately I belong to that 1% who don't do it to "be safe and have fun". Then, go out and be strong.

[Hilary]

I'm sorry but where did you see, I was afraid? With that you could hit 99% of the people out there, but unfortunately I belong to that 1% who don't do it to "be safe and have fun". You might not have been afraid, but I just want to say - there is absolutely nothing wrong or shameful about being afraid in a dream. It takes strength to admit we are afraid sometimes. I respect that strength, a lot. If this were my dream, and I was conscious, I would attempt to not fight the guy. Instead, I would flow love to him. Because I know he represents an aspect of myself. An aspect I am not aware of, or somehow deny because I feel negative emotions when faced with this truth about myself. I would attempt to question him, ask him what he represents, ask if he has a message for me. I would let him attack if he wants to, not trying to get hurt, but I would do my best to not fight back. Help him understand I am not his enemy. When in doubt, or when scared, just remember, you always have the power to vibrate love. When you do, nothing can hurt you. Nothing.

[michael79]

Sorry for assuming. I like to follow your astral adventures. Those I read seemed characterized by high stakes like risking not making it back to your body alive. I would be afraid; I'm surprised you aren't. I'm curious if you ever made it to the Lucid Crossroads. Have you heard of it? I guess it's old but it's always seemed like a great wholesome place to go astral project to and there's even a martial arts dojo which is right up in your alley. I'm curious what your thoughts are on that place and I'd definitely want to read a journey of yours there, though I don't deserve it (I do want it). If I ever encounter such a place, you will be first to know. Then, go out and be strong. Again the same thing, I'm not doing it for fun like the others, I'm doing it for exploration and spiritual grow up.

[michael79]

You might not have been afraid, but I just want to say - there is absolutely nothing wrong or shameful about being afraid in a dream. It takes strength to admit we are afraid sometimes. I respect that strength, a lot. If this were my dream, and I was conscious, I would attempt to not fight the guy. Instead, I would flow love to him. Because I know he represents an aspect of myself. An aspect I am not aware of, or somehow deny because I feel negative emotions when faced with this truth about myself. I would attempt to question him, ask him what he represents, ask if he has a message for me. I would let him attack if he wants to, not trying to get hurt, but I would do my best to not fight back. Help him understand I am not his enemy. When in doubt, or when scared, just remember, you always have the power to vibrate love. When you do, nothing can hurt you. Nothing. Again this wasn't a dream, but an AP, it seems I wasn't clear enough! FEAR is a common reaction for every living organism, which want to survive, there is absolutely not a single creature that doesn't have this primal instinct!

[Hilary]

Again this wasn't a dream, but an AP, it seems I wasn't clear enough! FEAR is a common reaction for every living organism, which want to survive, there is absolutely not a single creature that doesn't have this primal instinct! Hey. Relax. We're trying to help you. I meant lucid dream, but AP works too. Either way, what I'm talking about is your ability to choose your reaction / response to the being you're encountering. The love approach should work in either setting. Give it a try sometime.

[michael79]

Hey. Relax. We're trying to help you. I'm pretty relaxed here, thanks. If you are talking about the caps letters, I thought it will be funny to add a little hint to my favourite game I meant lucid dream, but AP works too. Either way, what I'm talking about is your ability to choose your reaction / response to the being you're encountering. The love approach should work in either setting. Give it a try sometime. Trust me I can feel pretty well when there is no other way than a battle, my six sense is well developed.

[Hilary]

I'm pretty relaxed here, thanks. If you are talking about the caps letters, I thought it will be funny to add a little hint to my favourite game Trust me I can feel pretty well when there is no other way than a battle, my six sense is well developed. *Shrug* You can only lead a horse to water..

[JesterKK]

*Shrug* You can only lead a horse to water.. 😆 That's an interesting idea about sending feelings of love. I will have to give it a try. As for dreams seeming like consistent realities, I have had some where I have gotten out of bed, done a reality check and it suggests I am awake(e.g. I can't breathe through a plugged nose or put my finger through my hand). Yet somehow I can still fly. I don't think there is a limit on how real a dream can seem.