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      Da Vinci secret library, an astral space!

      Today I had what it seemed to be a normal nonlucid dream, suddenly developed in something I didn't expect. I was in a wide room full of beds and I was about to hit the pillow, when suddenly the walls start to shake and making strange noises, I was about to touch the wall when the dream scenario suddenly changed and two DC appeared together with some false memory about them. There was a man and a woman, the man was a vampire and the woman was something else not human either. The vampire was walking around searching for something, there were shelves of books on the wall and he was grabbing book after a book, making a mess, I told him I won't be the one cleaning his mess. When he took a large old book from the shelf, a sudden loud noise and the entire shelf moved to the side, revealing a hidden door.

      We all got to the door and starting to inspect her, finally after a while he push the door and we all enter in a big and wide space, in front of us there was a big shelf of books, to the left and the right there was one also, I started to look at the books, they all were readable, a front title and writer names, sometimes a front picture, I look inside thinking that they would be all empty, but for my surprise that wasn't the case, in a burst of awareness I said to myself "when I get into the astral". The woman scremed and the man yelled at me to come and see, I step aside from the shelf and get to the left corridor, when I get a glimpse of the sight I was like "Wooooooow", my jaw almost dropped to the ground, the corridor was long at least a hundreds of meters or more, filled entirely with multiple rows of shelves with books, a gigantic library, a truly marvelous sight. I ask him were we get ourselves in, he was out of words, only said "We finally found it, the Da Vinci secret library, all of men's knowledge". I was about to say something, but felt a strong pulling sensation which abruptly woke me up.
      In that place there were bilions if not trillions of books, they were all in my native language, but maybe who ever see them, will see them in his native language.
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      I'm just curious, What do you mean by Vampire? And Do you think that you are having this astral space thing that happened to you have to do with being a Starseed? I recall that we discuss this in another thread before. I recall you mention something about that. I'm wondering if you think that is connected in some way?
      I sort of remember this: https://www.dreamviews.com/lounge/16...ml#post2239333
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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      I'm just curious, What do you mean by Vampire? And Do you think that you are having this astral space thing that happened to you have to do with being a Starseed? I recall that we discuss this in another thread before. I recall you mention something about that. I'm wondering if you think that is connected in some way?
      I sort of remember this: https://www.dreamviews.com/lounge/16...ml#post2239333
      1Q) that was just wrong interpretation by the mind, when your mind lack the proper input, he made these assumptions on its own. For example when you walk with some man/girl besides you in a dream, because of lack of memories, you think he is your best friend.
      2Q) Not connected. There are Astral spaces left and right, you don't know when you are gonna be transported into one. I like to see Astral spaces as soap bubbles of separate realities and they are all connected by pathways. Every Astral space has its own purpose. Of course different spaces are vibrating on its own frequency. Some are more solid than others. Right now you and me, we are also in a such bubble called Reality.

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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      1Q) that was just wrong interpretation by the mind, when your mind lack the proper input, he made these assumptions on its own. For example when you walk with some man/girl besides you in a dream, because of lack of memories, you think he is your best friend.
      2Q) Not connected. There are Astral spaces left and right, you don't know when you are gonna be transported into one. I like to see Astral spaces as soap bubbles of separate realities and they are all connected by pathways. Every Astral space has its own purpose. Of course different spaces are vibrating on its own frequency. Some are more solid than others. Right now you and me, we are also in a such bubble called Reality.
      1. Then how do you really know that is a really Astral projection and not just a dream?
      2. What was the purpose of this dream? (What did you really learned?)
      3. where are you getting this information from? Please show me?
      4. Please walk me through how you Astral Project?
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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      1. Then how do you really know that is a really Astral projection and not just a dream?
      2. What was the purpose of this dream? (What did you really learned?)
      3. where are you getting this information from? Please show me?
      1. Intuition
      2. Was pulled from there before being able to learn more, but now I have the "keys" to go again.
      3. All from personal experience and spiritual guides, if you want hard proof's learn mathematics and quantum physics or just ask Antman^^

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      Oh, haha!
      You mean, It’s a mystery. But there are clues. Most astrophysicists believe that the force holding stars and galaxies together—the thing that makes our whole universe work—comes from a theoretical substance we can’t measure or observe directly. Something they call dark matter. And this dark matter makes up most of the known universe.
      imagine you’re a fish, swimming in a pond. You can move forward and back, side to side, but never up out of the water. If someone were standing beside the pond, watching you, you’d have no idea they were there. To you, that little pond is an entire universe. Now imagine that someone reaches down and lifts you out of the pond. You see that what you thought was the entire world is only a small pool. You see other ponds. Trees. The sky above. You realize you’re a part of a much larger and more mysterious reality than you had ever dreamed of. So you are saying that all these other thousands of bubbles or ponds are all around us, right at this moment—but we just can’t see them?
      Okay, Please walk me through how you, Astral Project to get to this sort of place.

      What in the dream is still with you in waking life? For instance, do you still hear a million voices, and understand all their languages? Do you still see the many forms of energy ranging through your waking-life surroundings?... if not, have you considered that you may have just been dreaming about all that stuff, and not directly experiencing it?
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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      Oh, haha!
      You mean, imagine you’re a fish, swimming in a pond. You can move forward and back, side to side, but never up out of the water. If someone were standing beside the pond, watching you, you’d have no idea they were there. To you, that little pond is an entire universe. Now imagine that someone reaches down and lifts you out of the pond. You see that what you thought was the entire world is only a small pool. You see other ponds. Trees. The sky above. You realize you’re a part of a much larger and more mysterious reality than you had ever dreamed of. So you are saying that all these other thousands of bubbles or ponds are all around us, right at this moment—but we just can’t see them?
      Okay, Please walk me through how you, Astral Project to get to this sort of place.
      Sorry, I'm not a teacher.
      What in the dream is still with you in waking life? For instance, do you still hear a million voices, and understand all their languages? Do you still see the many forms of energy ranging through your waking-life surroundings?... if not, have you considered that you may have just been dreaming about all that stuff, and not directly experiencing it?
      I don't remember saying anything like that, do you throw words in my mouth?!

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      Quote Originally Posted by michael79 View Post
      Sorry, I'm not a teacher.
      I don't remember saying anything like that, do you throw words in my mouth?!
      No, I was just asking. I was wondering if you experiencing it.

      Btw, I've a dream like that before back 2014 or 15. It reminds me of it a little.
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      It really is hard to tell the difference (if there is one) between astral projection and lucid dreaming. I know that Tibetan monks claim to be able to see people coming to visit them as they climb the mountain paths, before they get there. They do this via out of body experiences during meditation. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. I know that most of what I've thought are "APs" or "OBEs" have been very dream like. I consider them probably just lucid dreams at this point. Although, on two occasions, they seemed very life-like. In one occasion, I saw my brother approaching the house, as I was floating outside the window. A moment later, in real life, he rang the door bell. That was awesome. I've heard near-death experiences are like this too; I watched a documentary on it which was fascinating.

      Of course, I don't know about astral projection in a non-lucid dream. I would think it would be impossible to truly know, especially without that level of awareness you get from being lucid. I think that if something like this happened to me, in a non-lucid dream, I would assume that it was just a dream. Not to invalidate you Michael, I respect that you may feel differently, and this is your dream, not mine. I also don't have a lot of experience with projecting.

      On another note, I find it very interesting that quantum physics (and correct me if I'm wrong here) finds that at some level, beyond subatomic particles, everything is simply waves of energy. Everything is energy. It makes you think. Nothing really of substance. Nothing is really real. Or what is real?
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      Michael, How did you come to that conclusion? Would it not be a true Astral Projection if it happens in the middle of your dream, like that? Wouldn't you know that it is an Astral Projection in the beginning and not think it was a non-Lucid dream?
      What scientific mathematics and quantum physics proof are you talking about? Do you me that astral projection allows us to travel anywhere in the Multiverse from the comfort of our homes? That is what you mean?
      What made you decide that was the case, and that this library wasn't just another dream image? Where is Doctor Strange when you need him? Or were you trying to tell me that it was like Quantum entanglement?
      Did you feel your soul leave your body and you wondered through a different reality?


      Please be assured that I ask these things with all due respect, and am not trying to bother you; I am honestly curious about how you see this experience.
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      All I can say is that I'm from Michael Raduga's School of Out-of-Body Travel. We don't bother with belief-centric labels there, such as 'astral projection'. The lessons are simply designed to help the student reach a hybrid state of mind that appears to compound, usually, but not restricted to, REM sleep and waking consciousness. Distinguishing it from the daily waking state and the ordinary dream states, we use the umbrella term phase state or just the phase—an umbrella term that helped students focus on the practice and preventing them from getting bogged down or distracted with arguments as to what their subjective experiences were or where they took place.

      There was only talk of entering the phase and 'deepening' (increasing realism) and 'maintaining' the state in order to prevent 'falling asleep' (shifting into an ordinary dream) and 'fouling' (a 'foul' being an undesired exit from the phase state).

      In a nutshell, regardless of how people chose to interpret their experiences (all in the head/real separations from the body/spirit walking, etc.), the phase=OBE/LD/AP.
      THE PHASE = waking consciousness during sleep hybridisation at 40Hz of brainwave activity conducive to lucid dreaming and autoscopy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Summerlander View Post
      All I can say is that I'm from Michael Raduga's School of Out-of-Body Travel. We don't bother with belief-centric labels there, such as 'astral projection'. The lessons are simply designed to help the student reach a hybrid state of mind that appears to compound, usually, but not restricted to, REM sleep and waking consciousness. Distinguishing it from the daily waking state and the ordinary dream states, we use the umbrella term phase state or just the phase—an umbrella term that helped students focus on the practice and preventing them from getting bogged down or distracted with arguments as to what their subjective experiences were or where they took place.

      There was only talk of entering the phase and 'deepening' (increasing realism) and 'maintaining' the state in order to prevent 'falling asleep' (shifting into an ordinary dream) and 'fouling' (a 'foul' being an undesired exit from the phase state).

      In a nutshell, regardless of how people chose to interpret their experiences (all in the head/real separations from the body/spirit walking, etc.), the phase=OBE/LD/AP.
      I'm sorry Summerlander, but the only "Phase" I know of is coined by the researcher Robert Monroe:
      What is phasing?


      The term “phasing” was originally coined from an idea presented by the author Robert Monroe who spent much of his physical lifetime researching OBE phenomena. His early work, detailed in his first book Journeys Out Of The Body, followed very traditional lines of study. Such that strong parallels can be drawn between his experiences detailed in that book, and the work of the traditional mystics.
      However, his later books Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey, published many years later, reveal how his work had progressed to the development and formation of a completely different model of consciousness. His early “locale” concept had been totally replaced by a series of mental Focus Levels. These levels were labeled by using an escalating series of arbitrary numbers. Each level was identified from the mental impressions presented that Monroe categorized and labeled, so that others could follow in his work and duplicate his experiences.

      At some point in his experience, Monroe was able to determine the profound truth, that there is no separation within consciousness. Whereas in his early work it felt to him he was “leaving” and “separating” from his physical body in the more traditional sense. His later experiences led him to conclude that he was not “leaving” his body at all. But what he was doing, in his words, was changing the phase relationship between himself and his surroundings. It was from this discovery that the term “Phasing” came into being.

      Monroe was an electronics engineer by profession, and it so happens that I too graduated in electronics, so I understand where he was coming from when he talks about phase relationships. You can have two voltages present on the very same wire (you can have many numbers but for this example we’ll have just two). To all intents and purposes, those two voltages are mixed, but at the same time they are separated. What separates these two voltages is the phase-angle relationship between them.

      Monroe used this phase-angle relationship idea as an analogy to describe the relationship between the physical or objective layer of consciousness, and the non-physical or subjective layer of consciousness. Each respective area of consciousness occupies the same area in “space” and to all intents, they are mixed but at the same time they are separated. So Monroe figured there was a 180-degree Phase Relationship between the two areas of reality. To him, projection became a case of "switching phase" between the physical and the non-physical.
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      Yes, I started with Monroe, too. But Raduga does not use the word in the verb form, he literally uses it only as a pragmatic, substitute noun for what the sleep researchers of the 20th century used to refer to as dissociative REM states, where gamma brainwaves accompany autoscopy, false awakenings, sleep paralysis hallucinations and last, but not least, lucid dreaming. The term is already in circulation in the scientific community as Project Elijah got a paper on DEILD published in the International Journal of Dream Research.

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      THE PHASE = waking consciousness during sleep hybridisation at 40Hz of brainwave activity conducive to lucid dreaming and autoscopy.

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