one more step deeper into the mind...

**GestaltAlteration** · 10-30-2003 01:19 AM

you know when you reach a lucid dream, its simply you traped inside your own subconcious, able to display anything you want and do whatever you want, What if there was a way to get deeper such as the inner network of your mind.

Acid level 5 users claim to see another dimention, many of them claim to see the same thing, or deadly close (altering somthing in the minds deep sections to see thigns we should not..)

Mushrooms and pot can give you deep inner visions.(mainly in front of mirrors... such as seeing a door in your brain) Ones that cause some people to go insane or split personalitys.

With that there must be somthing deep in your mind where if you could access it you could literaly shift things to your will.. this could also relate to my dream eye post, though I believe its much diffrent then that...

Anyone have any ideas on this concept? and if you believe somthing deeper then the dream layer exists, how do you think one would access it?

**Serinanth** · 10-30-2003 12:01 PM

I think dreamtime has different layers... normal weird makes no sense dreams are just the outside layer, as you gain lucidity and look outside of your mind, you go deeper, you find a world that exists as the aborigines beleive it is as real as this place.

**A Lost Soul** · 10-30-2003 12:29 PM

Originally posted by GestaltAlteration
Anyone have any ideas on this concept? and if you believe somthing deeper then the dream layer exists, how do you think one would access it?

Yes I believe in something deeper than the dream layer. I think that one needs to die (let go of all material anchors in this word--including the body) to access it.

I guess I'll find out soon or later.

**Serinanth** · 10-30-2003 12:31 PM

makes sense

**Aneas** · 10-30-2003 01:09 PM

Meditation, the way it is supposed to be done, can allow you to see the world around you in all its splendour.

**Seeker** · 10-30-2003 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Aneas
Meditation, the way it is supposed to be done, can allow you to see the world around you in all its splendour.

Yes, but be prepared to make it a lifelong pursuit. It is my understanding that this can be accomplished using the disciplines in yoga, but takes decades of concentrated effort.

**Aneas** · 10-30-2003 03:45 PM

Not true Seeker. There are methods for opening the chakras and establishing communication with the divine self that begin to take effect upon the first application. Self realization is absolutely simple to achieve. That it is a long, arduous undertaking is a laughable myth that is realized the moment you discover your Self.

**Seeker** · 10-30-2003 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Aneas
There are methods for opening the chakras and establishing communication with the divine self that begin to take effect upon the first application.

Please continue, you have my interest.

EDIT -- That is, as long as it doesn't involve any kind of chemical help!

**Second Attention** · 10-30-2003 07:49 PM

It depends... I think you might be talking about... well... the unexplainable. Or God.... or... everything and nothing at the same time... or the infinite... or the void... transcendence? They're all just concepts for the same thing. At least in my opinion... how can we define the unexplainable? Well.. you can't... hence the problem with language. When we ate the "fruit" off of the tree of knowledge, we gained two things, self reflection and perception, out of which developed language. These things are our greatest accomplishments, and our greatest downfall. We still are struggling to understand all the things that we lost once we developed language... for how can you explain God in language? Most people don't think about that, how language holds back the things we are able to think about. Some others would argue that without language, how could we think at all? Well... babies think... they're not biased to language when they're born though. It's a learned trait... language is. Language is not natural, it is not inherent. It's a horrible vicious circle, and I have no idea what it all means, because without language we would not have developed in the way we did... but we are still limited by our language... we need to develop a higher form of communication.. pure thought needs to be translated into something we can all share and understand. Say a language that exists in three dimensions(I kind of think you can see, feel understand this sort of thing on mushrooms), a language that you can see and feel and understand in a whole new way. I don't know... rambling again... random thoughts...

That wasn't even really quite on key.... but DXM(dextromethorphan) shows you another realm that exists inside of yourself... sort of. It's like the opposite of acid(sort of). It's sensory shut down... you being to lose your outside senses and sensations(to some degree) and begin to exist in your mind a lot stronger. It's kind of like lucid dreaming, in the sense that you are inside your mind, you can do whatever you want(awareness, lucid). I've experienced some very intense transcendental sort of things on DXM. DMT gives you access to a whole other world. The elf/alien/gnome/nano-machines type creatures that exist there and speak to you and show this whole other dimension of reality that we don't normally exist in are the most common thing experienced in that realm.

Shamans have been accessing this dimension for thousands of years...

....dude... my attention span sucks today... I have to go now...

::rant off::

**nerve** · 10-30-2003 07:56 PM

sounds WAY too New Age for me...

**Second Attention** · 10-30-2003 08:11 PM

New Age is a joke for overworked, confused, sad middle aged people that are looking for something new.

I'm into truth... and that's it. All the things I was talking about had very little to do with anything "New Age". I'm talking in buddhist terms, christian terms, religious, psychological terms. It's all the same thing. Why do people get so caught up in the words used to describe something?

Labels are bullshit... don't ever call me "New Age", that is the biggest goddamn insult you can say to me.

Philosophy, psychology, anthropology, religion, botany, sociology, number theory, quantum physics, classic poetry, raw human emotion, and experience make up my realm of existence... probably a lot more shit too... but just in general...

"New Age" stuff is for the ignorant and confused...

No knowledgeable person should use the term "new age"...

::rant off::

**Serinanth** · 10-30-2003 08:27 PM

and then Paperdoll was like blah blahblah blah?

and Second attention was all like NyAGGH NYAGHH NYAGHH and bit off her right arm

....

Totaly understand I hate when people call me new age... new age is exactly what you said.

Ok so tell me more about the DMT beings. I have read about them but have yet to speak to somone who has actuall encountered them...

Ooo I just picked up some melatonin today gona see how that works, will let all ya know how it goes

**nerve** · 10-30-2003 08:30 PM

look. i was not trying to piss you off. i said it SOUNDS New Age to ME. you didn't have to go off and say my Gods name in vain JUST BECAUSE i stated MY opinion. i asked you NICELY through a PM to stop saying that, but no. you have to freaking offend me just because i said something you didn't like. MY opinion. just because i said it SOUNDS too New Age for me, DOESN'T MEAN IT IS.

**Second Attention** · 10-30-2003 10:02 PM

Ok... I'm not sure that you understand this... but swearing is the way I talk, and write, and I'm not going to change that for you.

Second... I believe in God... I can call myself a Christian, for that matter, if I like... I have read the Bible, I just think that my perception of things may be different than your perception of things held in there. So don't act like "your God" is any different than mine(unless you truly think He is... than I guess you can think that... I just don't think He is).

Third... I was just stating my opinion... just because you think that I was all pissed off and trying to be an asshole doesn't meant that was what I was doing, and it certainly wasn't. I never have any intention of offending any one... those are, however, my feelings on the subject. I feel by calling me "New age" you were insulting me... I was just telling you that's how it makes me feel. I put emotion into the things I say... I'm not a robot... and swearing is a good way to express on the moment emotion... so... whatever... excuse me... I'm sorry...

:

ffers hand::

Can't we just shake and be friends? I don't know why you get so mad at me... I'm never personally attacking you, Paperdoll, and if I was, you'd know it. I just go off... I can't help that.

Please try not to be offended by the things I say... I don't like arguing... I just don't want to be called "New Age"...

**Second Attention** · 10-30-2003 10:17 PM

Oh... sorry Seri.... didn't mean to ignore ya there.

Ok... so... the DMT beings... well... what do you want to know about them? I can relate information I've read and heard about those lil' fools... Heck... I can tell you how to legally exoperience them(..haha... them)... but I would prefer to save information like that for a pm... since... there are some kids on this board, and it is open. I've still never done it... lack of money and time, lately... but I know I will have to sometime in the near future.

Ask away...

**evangel** · 10-31-2003 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Second Attention
Most people don't think about that, how language holds back the things we are able to think about. Some others would argue that without language, how could we think at all?

I think about that a lot. Language is so limiting, yet without it, we wouldn't have knowledge -at least not the way we "know" knowledge

Yet, languages are also beautiful and mind-expanding (mathematics, music, logic, and sound and the way they inter-relate fascinate me). I tend to stay away from chemical alkterations 'cause I think they can too easily cause the mind to trick/deceive itself (delusion), and can open it to things "that we shouldn't see."

**Serinanth** · 10-31-2003 05:16 AM

Speaking of language... any musicians out there?

... and also.. have you heard the song of the Humpback whales?

Do you know how they use one of the most sophisticated choreographed feeding exercises of any creature.. surpassing us?

Bubble netting.. look it up... its insane...

They are as smart as us.. just because we dont understand each other.. dosent mean they are dumb...

Their language is song...

**Aneas** · 10-31-2003 04:34 PM

If you were born alone, never experiencing another human being, but you had the power to create (as in lucid dreaming) you would probably create something in your own image in which to experience and know yourself. You would have to give your creation free will and not interfere in order to completely and honestly know yourself. You would allow them to be cocreators to allow them to experience you as well in order to know themselves. Thus are we created. Plain and simple.

**evangel** · 10-31-2003 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Aneas
If you were born alone, never experiencing another human being, but you had the power to create (as in lucid dreaming) you would probably create something in your own image in which to experience and know yourself. *You would have to give your creation free will and not interfere in order to completely and honestly know yourself. *You would allow them to be cocreators to allow them to experience you as well in order to know themselves. *Thus are we created. *Plain and simple.

Thus sayeth Aneas

... Preach it, now

**jill1978** · 11-02-2003 12:31 AM

I beleive with lost soul on this one, I think you need to die, or maybe if humanity sticks around long enough evelution will bring us closer...or farther away

**Kenny** · 11-19-2003 10:19 AM

I like Sprite.

**evangel** · 11-20-2003 12:10 AM

I like Mountain Dew. So what's yer point?

**wasup** · 11-20-2003 12:56 AM

This calls for a poll!!

**evangel** · 11-20-2003 02:34 AM

Originally posted by GestaltAlteration
you know when you reach a lucid dream, its simply you traped inside your own subconcious, able to display anything you want and do whatever you want, What if there was a way to get deeper such as the inner network of your mind...
Anyone have any ideas on this concept? and if you believe somthing deeper then the dream layer exists, how do you think one would access it?

I was just re-reading this...
I think that "it" can be accessed upon death. I do believe that reality is multi-dimensional and that through altered states of consciousness we can catch glimpses of alternate realities, but not truly fully participate. I look forward to death because of this, but at the same time, I also value life in the corporeal (physical/as we know it) all the more, with the faith that this is a beginning point or training ground for bigger and better things (at least for some).

Matthew 22:1-14
Parable of the Marriage Feast
Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. "And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. "Again he sent out other slaves saying, 'Tell those who have been invited, "Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast."' "But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. "But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed the murderers and set their city on fire. "Then he said to his slaves, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 'Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.' "Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. "But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless. "Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' "For many are called, but few are chosen."

**azwe_echo** · 11-20-2003 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Serinanth
Speaking of language... any musicians out there

*arms in air* Here!
I play a lot of silly instruments in undisciplined fashion...

like the guitar and didjeridu; I also have some 99 cent woodwinds from an aborigine cultural festival!

I also really like middle-eastern stringed instruments like the ko kyu. I enjoy a lot of unique instruments, but I don't necessarily aim to play all of them. Maybe just meet some others of like mind and play and create together...that's what I want...