Thread: Can U Go Into Other Peoples Dreams

I'll bet it's not more than a month and a half before this moron gets banned.

Saint, I (and certainly others) are getting sick of your bullshit responses. So far you have proved to be nothing but a waste of space on this forum and I doubt anyone would disagree. All you do is ask questions that have been asked hundreds of times RECENTLY, and then when someone replies, you insult them.

thegnome54 is absolutely right. And he wasn't even insulting you, so calm down. The fact that about 27 people have mentioned your typing several times should be a hint to you to get it together. No one has outwardly insulted you before me just now, and still you abuse these members who are trying to help you. Get your act together and stop behaving like a jackass, otherwise piss off and stop posting on this forum, since you clearly don't have anything useful to contribute. Sorry for all the big words.

look i just relized something he wasnt saying anything bad to me i didnt read his thread all the way threw ur right but still quit telling me my grammar sucks alright cause thats all yall would post and not even talk about the subject see other people posted nothing about my grammar did u see me talk bad to them

Originally Posted by saint10

look i just relized something he wasnt saying anything bad to me i didnt read his thread all the way threw ur right but still quit telling me my grammar sucks alright cause thats all yall would post and not even talk about the subject see other people posted nothing about my grammar did u see me talk bad to them

Well, its just different when everyone on the forum speaks correct grammer, ect, and all of sudden someone with not so good grammer comes. Its like having a midget in a room of people. You try to be nice, but inside, your laughing your balls off.

On Subject: I believe it's not. I mean, if it is, its out of our control.

Originally Posted by Xyn

Well, its just different when everyone on the forum speaks correct grammer, ect, and all of sudden someone with not so good grammer comes. Its like having a midget in a room of people. You try to be nice, but inside, your laughing your balls off.

On Subject: I believe it's not. I mean, if it is, its out of our control.

well then just ignore it like yall should and keep yalls mouths shut i think its bullshit to type how yall do i dont spend my life on the coputer and type as fast as yall and if i did type like yall it would take to long

It's not a matter of insulting you saint. The members who have (repeatedly) attacked your grammar don't mean to be insulting. They only mean to show you that it actually is discourteous and it's literally hard to read. It would take very little effort on your part to just type so that we can read what you're saying.

Now of course, if you are literally unable to do that, we will understand. But are you going to say that you are not able to type in a way that's easier to read? If that actually is the case, then I'm sure the members here would find a way to cope with how you type. No one is asking you to type perfectly but clearly how you're typing now is difficult to read, otherwise no one would be mentioning it.

Originally Posted by Rainman

It's not a matter of insulting you saint. The members who have (repeatedly) attacked your grammar don't mean to be insulting. They only mean to show you that it actually is discourteous and it's literally hard to read. It would take very little effort on your part to just type so that we can read what you're saying.

Now of course, if you are literally unable to do that, we will understand. But are you going to say that you are not able to type in a way that's easier to read? If that actually is the case, then I'm sure the members here would find a way to cope with how you type. No one is asking you to type perfectly but clearly how you're typing now is difficult to read, otherwise no one would be mentioning it.

then please tell me actually what's so hard to read about it type somthing how i would

It's not extremely difficult or anything, it just takes a few passes. You've got no punctuation or anything. The other thing is I wonder if you actually READ the posts that people are posting. You didn't even answer what I said in the post before yours.


eny ways when you type sumthin it normally something that looks like this and what i said before was that u got no punctuation in your posts so it looks like all one blob of a sentence see i cant even do it cause when ur readin this it prolly makes sense to u cause this how u type anyway so it dont look bad to u but to us this is kidna confusin to read especially cause theres no periods.

That's how you type, not that it'll be hard for you to read, cause you type like that all the time, and mine still made more grammatical sense. In the meantime is it so difficult to just type like everyone else? You know, with question marks and periods and all?

How your reply should have looked:

"Then please tell me what's actually so hard to read about it. Type something how I would".

What's wrong with typing like everyone else?

I'd rather be myself sorry.

Whatever. Changing your typing isn't going to kill you, but it will make people stop bothering you about it.


By the way, you typed that perfectly. Was that so difficult?

no, but i would rather type the other way.

the fact that science cant prove it, doesn't mean it cant happen!
and from my experience i would say it is really posible

Science can't be arsed right now.

But actually, if dream sharing were possible, then actually it could be proved scientifically quite easily, so your point is redundant.

Unfortunately it never has been proved and our current understanding of neuroscience tells us that it cannot happen.

So the only reason for thinking otherwise is that you choose whatever you believe on the basis of whether it is a nice thing to believe.

So the only reason for thinking otherwise is that you're a dumbass who chooses whatever he believes on the basis of whether it is a nice thing to believe.

I grow weary of you assholes who insult others for believing something you do not. You can all go to hell. Or at least somewhere that's not this forum. Precious science which clearly has the answers to all things, happens to not be able to DISPROVE anything that the "dumbasses" believe.

His point was "redundant"? Look that one up in the dictionary before you use it again to try and sound intimidating. And your point is a bit hypocritical. In your eyes, anything that can't be validated by science is false, correct me if I'm wrong. If that's true, you're an idiot, cause science cannot disprove 90% of the things on this forum. Calling us dumbasses for believing something that science does not support but also cannot deny is complete idiocy.

You're doing the exact thing you just insulted us for doing- believing something that cannot be backed by science. So...sorry. Try again.

Originally Posted by saint10

what im asking is there a way to pop out of ur dream bubble like the episode of sponge bob and go into other peoples dream

I don't think it's possible in my opinion because to me it's your own personal place and talk about invasion of privacy lol. But I know it is possible to carry a conversation with someone that is also dreaming like sleep talking to one another

I just saw a commercial on the Sci-Fi Channel about some show called "eureka" that is going to have an episode about dream sharing. I've never really watched the show, but the concept is that there is a town that is full of highly superior human beings (yeah someone narcissistic probably wrote the plot line for this show) who are the most intelligent people on the Earth. They got together and formed a society for some reason or another (they are snobbbyyyy!) and they have all these wierd scientific technologies. I'm guessing one of their technologies goes on the fritz....like i'm sure it does every episode, and something triggers dream sharing, I'm sure if you watch it it will give you every ridiculous explaination on how dreamsharing is possible. (can you tell that I don't think it is?) Of course the episode is going to focus on the shared "nightmare" aspect of the show...and I doubt any of them will be lucid in these dreams. Lol.

I am curious about dreamsharing as well, and if I ever had the skill or oppurtunity I would most deffinantly try it, however, like most things that belong in the "Beyond Dreaming" section, I don't really expect it to be true. =( People always say i'm closed minded because I don't believe crack pot theories... But I don't really understand why that is, because even though I don't believe them i'm still open to them. =) I'm willing to experiment, but I have to be honest with myself, I just can not believe things that are unbelievable. A snake is a snake, wrong analogy I suppose, but a snake is never going to be a bunny (unless it has dreams, in which case aww cute!)

Originally Posted by Rainman

I grow weary of you assholes who insult others for believing something you do not. You can all go to hell. Or at least somewhere that's not this forum. Precious science which clearly has the answers to all things, happens to not be able to DISPROVE anything that the "dumbasses" believe.

I was feeling a bit of an asshole at the time I wrote that, fortunately I did edit the 'dumbass' out before you replied. Sorry that you read that, but please ignore it.

In your eyes, anything that can't be validated by science is false, correct me if I'm wrong. If that's true, you're an idiot, cause science cannot disprove 90% of the things on this forum. Calling us dumbasses for believing something that science does not support but also cannot deny is complete idiocy.

Uh... yeah, you're wrong. Let me correct you.

In the previous post, it was asserted that dreamsharing cannot be proven.

All I was saying is that this is obviously not true. One could very easily prove dreamsharing to be true if it were.

However, despite several experiments having been done, dreamsharing never has been shown to be possible.

Therefore, until it is proven, we must assume that it is not possible.

This is how science works, see. Let me explain so that you don't fall into these traps in future:

You repeatedly make reference to how science 'can't disprove' something. Way to go, if you actually understood scientific method, you'd realise that this is part of the fundamental nature of science.

In fact, it's not '90%' of theories that can't be 'disproven'; it's 100% of them.

What science does is make rules for what phenomena do exist.

Until other phenomena show quantitative evidence of existing, we must assume that they do not.

When they do, we incorporate them into our rules.

But science cannot disprove any phenomena that you might theorise to exist. We can only prove those that we know to exist.

Dreamsharing has never been proven, so like I say, until it is, the only reason somebody can have for believing in dreamsharing (save anecdotal evidence, in which case they need to perform an experiment) is wishful thinking.

The vast majority of such New Age rubbish comes from the misunderstanding of science which you seem to have adopted. It is often very close to or synonymous with the Negative Proof fallacy.

Do you have any objections to what I said?

Originally Posted by Xei

Dreamsharing has never been proven, so like I say, until it is, the only reason somebody can have for believing in dreamsharing (save anecdotal evidence, in which case they need to perform an experiment) is wishful thinking.

Do you have any objections to what I said?

*raises hand* Objection!

Another good reason for believing in it would be to experience it yourself. Several people claim to have had it happen at some point. In most cases just randomly.

A problem with science proving it, is that science has narrow preconceived ideas on how shared dreaming should work. Specifically that both dreamers should experience exactly the same thing. Too bad dreams don't work that way.

They shift and change constantly according to each individual. What one dreamer sees as a snake, the other might see as a dragon's neck. A dinosaur monster to me could be a pokemon creature to you. There would be tons on inconsistancies like that.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

*raises hand* Objection!

Another good reason for believing in it would be to experience it yourself. Several people claim to have had it happen at some point. In most cases just randomly.

Yeah, included that in 'anecdotal'; but of course, you can't just take people's word for it (unless it has happened to yourself, in which case you still have to take measures to ensure that it was not coincidental). You have to then perform experiments, such as giving somebody a secret password or the like. I've never heard of this being successful personally, but perhaps you have. Could you link me to an account if you have, please? It's not as if I'm not interested in this personally, but I'm not as willing as some others to accept a phenomenon without evidence.

A problem with science proving it, is that science has narrow preconceived ideas on how shared dreaming should work. Specifically that both dreamers should experience exactly the same thing. Too bad dreams don't work that way.

They shift and change constantly according to each individual. What one dreamer sees as a snake, the other might see as a dragon's neck. A dinosaur monster to me could be a pokemon creature to you. There would be tons on inconsistancies like that.

Heh, I still find it funny how people talk about this 'science' entity who seems capable of concious thoughts... who is this nasty science person?

But if you're talking about scientists; sure, some of them are not ready to accept certain ideas. Hell, some scientists don't believe in lucid dreaming. But it's not true to say that all of them would not accept dreamsharing. I mean, LaBerge himself, for instance, is open to it (you can read about that on lucidity.com). He's a prominent scientist in this field.

But more to the point of this topic; has there ever been a reliable account of two people sharing the same dream? And when you start talking about two people having a different dream being classed as the same, then what is it to share a dream anyway? It seems to me that evidence of this kind is very dubious, when you start to say that people who had two completely different dreams were dreamsharing.

If we agree that dreamsharing as being a single dream in which two people reside (that is, after all, the very essence of the term), then it should be easy to prove.

So, if somebody can provide proof, then we must accept that dreamsharing is possible.

And if nobody can provide proof, then we must assume for the time being that it is not.

Agreed..?

I understand your bit about being in an asshole mood, I've been in one myself for a while, so I appologize.

I don't disagree with you approach to the scientific method, and I'm familiar with it, but my point still stands. 200 years ago the earth was flat. It was absurd to think it was round. Then some time later "oh...sorry about that, as it turns out, the world actually IS round..."

Lucid dreams were rubbish too. The idea of being awake in your dreams was completely mental. But then someone who no one believed came along and now everyone goes "oops i guess it does exist"

I have never said that any of these things ARE true (apart from OBEs which I'll explain momentarily), I just said a valid statement- these things cannot YET be proven by science, however to say as a FACT that they are not possible is STUPIDITY. And it is. You have no way of knowing if it's for certain not possible, so why would you say you do? Because as soon as someone OBEs and tells you what your own bloody house looks like without ever having met you, you're gonna feel really dumb aren't you.

All I'm saying, is instead of calling us idiots, or what have you (not you in particular, but skeptics in general), be open to the possibility. Cause the fact of the matter is, you cannot say with upmost certainty that what I believe is not possible. In future years, you don't know if there will never be techology to prove the things that we claim are possible.

OBEs for example. I have proved to people they exist. Validations, is what you spoke of. Writing down a password or whatever, then having someone astral project to the room its in, try to remember the word, and say it in their physical body.

So now I will say what I have said a million fucking times, and I really really really want you to pay attention. Read it a few times if you have to, cause most of the dolt radicals on this forum don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand this concept

No one is saying that the skeptics are wrong for being skeptical about what we theorize!!!!! You have every right and logical reason to believe that what I'm saying is probably not possible, because we can't prove that it is.

My only point is that to say or suggest that we are not as intelligent because we DO believe in these things, is IDIOTIC. Because in 30 years or however long, when/if science has proved some of these things, you're going to look twice as much of an asshole (not you or anyone else in particular) as you do now for calling us dumb, and constantly insulting us for our beliefs.

You'll switch sides so quickly as if nothing happened. The only difference is, we believe in the possiblity of these things NOW, and science just hasn't caught up yet, but it will.

Don't get me wrong either. Everyone assumes that because I'm not skeptical that I automatically hate science. I do not. To the contrary, I use science to prove a lot of things, win arguments, debates, etc. Science is a beautiful thing, and I've never denied that.

All I say is that you should be open to the possiblity. Because this is the pattern of human knowledge. Someone presents a new idea, everyone thinks he's dumb, insults him, says he's full of shit, similar to what you all are doing, and then when he finally proves it, they all look like a bunch of assholes. So....learn from the past?

I'm guessing that wasn't aimed at me, because I didn't make any of those statements.

However I will say that, with our current theories of neuroscience, it is not possible. Of course, these are available for modification, as is all science.

But really, let's stick to the basics; if there is any proof of dreamsharing, let's hear it.

If not, no matter how much talking we do, fact is we have to assume that it is not true until somebody does post evidence.

There's certainally no reason to believe in dreamsharing without evidence except wishful thinking, surely?

The reason normal people don't believe in the various unproven beliefs, is because most of the time (if not everytime) there is a more logical, and entirely more probably explaination of what is actually experienced. For example those who believe in psi. One of the big things in psi cases is the "tingly" feeling you'll probably get. One could look at this as "psi" in you, or the more probably thing, which is you probably have had your hands in such a position that your circulation is now pretty bad.

Also, never compare the fact that the Earth is round with those of the supernatural or strange occurences that have been discussed. This arguement is used time and time again... but it is ridiculous, because the idea that the Earth was flat was never based on pure science in the first place...It was based on a hypothesis made by observation, but wasn't tested, only accepted (much like you would like us to do the same with dream sharing and the like), untill someone came along to test this hypothesis, and found that the conclusion was far different than the original hypothesis.

Also, no one will feel like an ass if dream sharing is proven true...because there will be a scientific explaination to go along side it... at which point there will be evidence that it is true. Scientific minded people are usually open minded to the point that we will experiment with anything, no matter how foolish we might feel doing it. I wish I knew who said it, so I could give them their props...but someone here at DV once said something fairly close to... "there are [scientific] studies in even the most retarded of fields."

Man, the tingly sensation has nothing to do with psi.

Usually there are lots of stimuli that ou brain refuses to perceive, basically because it has no use. Blood flow, heat currents, and many other things. When you focus e.g. on your arm, you can either start to feel those things, or force your mind to make them up.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Man, the tingly sensation has nothing to do with psi.

Usually there are lots of stimuli that ou brain refuses to perceive, basically because it has no use. Blood flow, heat currents, and many other things. When you focus e.g. on your arm, you can either start to feel those things, or force your mind to make them up.

Thats what I was saying. Poor circulation FTW =). Your explaination is good too.
Or are you saying that Psi is real, and the tingly feeling is just incidental?

I personally don't believe a lot to do with psi, but I have experienced some of it first hand, so it's difficult for me to be skeptical. But I am open to skeptic ideas, opposite of you skeptics who are closed-minded and won't even consider another side. (If that's not the case for you, I wasn't talking to you).

Xei, that post wasn't directed at you. I should have clarified that. It was just in general. With our current knowledge of neuro-science!!! That's the key phrase in that sentence. You're (understandably of course) using that term to determine what is real and what is not. So as far as we THINK it is not possible. However, science has no understanding of etheric energy, and telepathic related abilities, so our current understanding of neuro-science lacks application of etheric energy (which can be measured, by the way. I saw a program where a man moved it, and they were able to show a reading of it. I'll try to find it.) and lacks an understanding of telapathy (which so far either cannot, or has not been proven).

So really this is a matter of does telepathy exist, not does dreamwalking exist. Because if we can prove telepathy exists (which as far as I know, there's basically no way to prove that) then it would be implied that dreamwalking exists, as that would be classified as a form of telepathy.

(Not to say that I particularly believe in telepathy). OBEs are different, but I must say, the concept of dreamwalking seems less and less realistic to me. I was just saying to you skeptic folks to keep an open mind. Science is always prone to change, and we never know when it will.