Thread: Is astral projection against god's will

I meant the christan god...jesus...holyspirt....holy trinity... that god.

Originally Posted by TempleGuard

By Lord he mean GOD..

yahweh is jesus, he goes by yahweh, (jesus, prounounced hey-zeus), jesus, jehova, jehova jira, jehova rapha, jehova niecy, lord, son of man etc...

Originally Posted by Rainman

It's like asking if walking out of your house is a sin. Of course it's not, but it's possible to do something outside of your house that is a sin.

I was just going to say exactly this, rainman.

I'm not christian, but why does it matter? I thought the whole point of christianity was that all your sins are forgiven? Sin away, my friend

srry, just my limited knowledge on the names of jesus, lead me toa misunderstanding.

Actually, Yahweh is the name of God. God and Lord were titles that replaced the name when the Church deemed it too divine to speak and were forcing people to death. The Messiah's name also was not always Jesus (nor is it Yahweh), it was Yahoshuah. J's didn't exist 2,000+ years ago. The name Jesus (also Iesus or Esus) originates from a pagan celtic deity. Strange that the Messiah bears such a relevance to something pagan, especially when J's originated from I's.

Maybe you can search through another bible, e.g. look on internet there are many answers though I think you will get many maybe's/no's/yes's.

I'm also Christian but I think that God wouldn't punish me but forgive me for this sin (if it was wrong) because you didn't know, and probably he will show you a sign in your dreams.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

Seil 4:23

"I tell you the truth: Divide not your spirit and body, for this is unholy to you. The LORD has made your spirit for your body and your body for your spirit. Attempt to reach heaven before your time, and you shall be denied it then and for all time."

Where did you get that from???

Did you just make that up. That book is not even in the bible.

dude you made that up. If google can't find it....then you made it up.

It is probably by the bible, the "4:23" thing makes me think that way..

Originally Posted by Mark75

Seil 4:23

"I tell you the truth: Divide not your spirit and body, for this is unholy to you. The LORD has made your spirit for your body and your body for your spirit. Attempt to reach heaven before your time, and you shall be denied it then and for all time."

Tisk, tisk - you should NEVER take anything Mark75 says seriously. It will probably be funny, and usually wicked but never serious.

What does Seil spell backwards?!

Wow, I feel as though I've been raped of my knowledge...GOOD call...I knew it was fake though because that wasn't a name of a book i've ever heard...and I know a lot of them...good call.

R 0 F l, he even got the nonbeliever.

Durza,

I think there is a book you would find very interesting. It's called "Beyond the Body, An Investigation of Out-of-the-Body Experiences", by British psychologist Susan J. Blackmore.

The author had her first OBE as a student, and then spent years studying them. All her very interesting thoughts and conclusions are in the book (as well as a history of OBEs, experiments, OBEs in other cultures, etc).

The big question is: does anything actually leave the body during what is called an OBE? Maybe you can do some experiments and tell us what you think!

if a christian is wondering whether or not astral traveling is against Gods wishes, then they should ask themselves why they want to travel, how, and are they ready

the astral realm, in my opinion, while it is thought of as a spiritual realm - it is not thought of as a heavenly realm. any kind of spirit can be there. it's not a 'sin' to be there, but it might not be right either - it depends on the individual.

a lot of human spirits are not so bright. they wouldn't know a deceptive, not so friendly spirit if they saw one. and those obsessed with the supernatural don't always use logic when interacting with another spirit - for example. some people actually listen to the advice that any other spirit will tell them in the astral realm, without first asking did this spirit have their best intentions in mind or not? they don't question, they just assume every spirit in the universe has some truth for them. they don't even question if the spirit was actually just a thought manifestation. imagine listening to the advice a dream character gives us? not so smart

if your spirit knows nothing about the astral realm, then youre like a child running around on the streets - youre simply not supposed to be there. You have no reason to be there. You have no purpose to be there. And nothing good will come out of it.

with that said, in christianity - you have a spirit - you are a spiritual being and you can only connect to God, through spirit. So there is nothing wrong with the desire to be in spirit, journey in spirit, and connect to spirit. You should want to as a christian. The difference here is to not stick around in an astral realm, but actually have a destination - a heavenly realm. experienced travelors will say you don't have to wait till you die to witness it

so the concerned christian, doesn't have to be so concerned as long as they have a good reason for doing so

lucid dreaming is good practice for traveling outside the body. you should take advantage of lucid dreaming to conquer any fear. any fear of the supernatural isn't a good thing to have if you want to deal in it

As far as I know the Bible says nothing about OBEs, so I don't think it's a sin.

Plus one of the most amazing OBE stories I ever heard resulted in the man becoming a christian.

Edit: Well said juroura.

Three & Four,

Does the Blackmore book have any how-to info? Is it at all useful as a practical guide to OBEs?

Nemo

Originally Posted by SammyG

Where did you get that from???

Mark75 is known for causing trouble and stirring up mischief as well as laughs every once and a while. Think of him as the Loki of Dreamviews.

Hi Nemo,

There is only a small chapter in Blackmore’s book about actually inducing OBEs. So if you want a how-to-do manual, this is perhaps not what you’d be looking for.

Concerning how to actually produce an OBE, I’ve yet to be convinced that there is a true difference between what is supposed to happen during an OBE and what can happen during a WILD.

Therefore, any WILD method could maybe just as well be labeled an OBE method... (humm... poll material, I think).

I have another book, called “Astral Dynamics”, by an Australian called Robert Bruce. It’s 500 pages about how to produce OBEs. The problem is that this guy talks a lot of very unverifiable stuff: he goes on and on about levels of astral existence, astral beings, etc. Fine, but it’s all very esoteric, and I prefer when authors stick to what is a bit more verifiable.

The advantage of the Blackmore book is that she’s a renowned and respected scientific author, with a PhD. in psychology, so she tends to talk sense (of which much is needed in this area...).

There's no black and white with any subject. We have the power and its not whether its a sin to use the power, but how we use it. There is so much evil in the world created by people ignorantly making wrong choices that honestly at this point in the game it doesn't matter what you do as long as you just act out of love.

Which God are we talking about?
The God of the Bible?The God of the Koran?The Norse God Odin?Amun Ra?Osiris?Krishna?Shiva?
Hundreds of Gods,hundreds of answers.
When it comes to the God of the Bible,no one can possibly know the answer to that question since astral projection isn't even mentioned in the Bible.

Originally Posted by durza2016

I'm always conteplating weather astral projection is against my reiglion or not. Then I asked my friend he said it was a sin. And I asked how but he didn't know why. So then for weeks I asked those who read the bible. THey said they didn't know.

Finnaly I asked someone with good knowlegde on the subjuct and the bible. So He said thaT it's now against god's will but it is dangerous. (pleaze) The funny thing is that he never refered to it as astral projection but rather as astral planeing.

Anyway what do u guys think is it a sin or not.

Please don't tell my god does't exsit. Your just going to watse your breath.

No offense,but before contemplating God's will,I think it would be far better for you to concentrate on mundane tasks such as learning to spell properly.

good point...but the thing is i don't feel like spellinng good.

Anyways, I mean the christan god. bible-god.

and besides I already told you that, but you only read the first post.

Originally Posted by durza2016

good point...but the thing is i don't feel like spellinng good.

Anyways, I mean the christan god. bible-god.

and besides I already told you that, but you only read the first post.

Okay....

You've mentioned that some of the people you know think that AP is wrong in God's eyes.
Well,the thing with priests and people who are very religious is...
When you mention the words "astral projection","lucid dreaming" etc. to them,they usually panic
because they're not familiar with the subject,they haven't had any experiences of their own or they've had bad experiences only.
Even ordinary people who haven't astrally projected will be scared or will say that it's impossible.
People are always afraid of the unknown.And astral projection is basically getting out of your body...Not something the majority of people today is familiar with.
In the medieval ages people (especially priests) were afraid of the things that we consider normal today - for example,performing obductions was considered "devil's business".
You can use a match to light a fire and warm yourself or you can use it to burn entire villages.Nothing's "good" or "bad".AP-ing is simply an ability,it's up to you whether you're gonna use it to hurt people or to,let's say,entertain yourself.
This is just my opinion,but I don't think anyone in this world knows the will of God any more than I or you do.
Do whatever makes you happy.As long as you hurt nobody,everything's okay.
Doesn't God (whoever He might be) want you to be happy?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

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