Thread: Do you believe in ghosts?

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

No.... i don't believe in that shit and people that do are crazy.

How come do you blame others to be crazy? Just because they believe in something that YOU don't, that doesn't makes them crazy. And more, this is a "beyond dreaming" forum...that means lot of the people who post here are believers. You have to learn more about respect.

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I totally believe in ghosts. Due to the fact that I've seen a some, well a few in one experience. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me, but when everyone else I was with saw it too, that confirmed my belief.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Ghosts don't exist, otherwise one of the millions of ghosts would do more then show up Extremely vague at photos, or show up extremely vague ONLY before gullible people, that probably believe in astrology and unicorns.

youre watching too much hollywood

a good handfull of ghost accounts are vivid and clear. to the person, they believe they are interacting with a living human being, until the person disappears into thin air, or walks through an object

Originally Posted by Neruo

rofl @ these results.

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If any of you 'have seen a ghost'. You greatly underestimate the power of the human mind. The power, to see things that are not there.

LETS SAY: Imagen you die. Oh no. You appear to be a ghost. What do you do? Float around vaguely, make rooms cold, make weird noises, NEVER show up PROPERLY at ANY video footage. Why wouldn't there be ONE of those THOUSANDS of ghosts that thinks: Hey, lets make the world clear ghosts do exist.

If ghosts can be seen, and if they have a will, the ghost of some scientist would have already floated around his old lab until someone spotted him. Hell, it's just so freakingly sad and illogical to believe in ghosts in the popularized "oh, floaty white ghost"-way, it's just pathetic.

Ghosts don't exist, otherwise one of the millions of ghosts would do more then show up Extremely vague at photos, or show up extremely vague ONLY before gullible people, that probably believe in astrology and unicorns.

I'm guessing you don't understand the concept to well.
Not everyone that dies becomes a ghost.
Not all spirits are ghosts and not all ghosts manifest themselves the same way. Some are aware of others and some aren't. The ones that aren't aware of people and their death are just going about their daily routine as if nothing as changed.
Not everyone can see spirits/ghosts.
Just because you've never seen it don't insult others who have.
It's one thing to imagine things or think you've seen things from the corner of your eye, it's another to see something as real as anyone else, right in front of you.

Ghosts obviously exist. Weather they are a figment of our imagination, or something real out there independant from our minds, is another question. I don't know the answer to that because I do not have any experience with it. But just the fact that the word "ghost" exists means someone experienced ghosts, weather it was for real our in their imagination, the experience was definitly there, and that is what makes ghosts exist.

The question is not, do they exist? It's WHERE do they exist? On the mental plane, or on the physical plane? They obviously exist on the mental plane, but do they also exist on the physical plane? I've seen lots of movies on youtube with video footage of ghosts.. but they could as well be fake, the only way to know is first hand experience. So for me ghosts are a mystery.

If someone did know HOW to see ghosts, we could just simply try it out and see for ourselves. So if you know, please do share.

Good point. Where do they exist?
I think they exist on a spiritual plane. I remember watching something on the Discovery channel where the scientist they interviewed were talking about a 4th dimension. It was aired last year, can't remember what the episode was about though.
But your question made me think of something else. I write for my University's paper (it's not just any ole' school paper, it's won several awards for being the only college paper completely runned by students) and a few semesters ago there was a visiting professor that did a special lecture at my school, and I was the reporter covering that event.
It was renowned mathematical physicist Mitchell J. Feigenbaum. The man's a genius, if you look him up he's done a lot of stuff at an early age. It's just crazy.

But anyway, back to what I was saying he was lecturing on "vision", it's about the human eye and the animal eye. I can't remember if he was the one that I first heard this from or if I picked it up from somewhere else, but dogs aren't color blind like most people assume, instead they see color differently than humans do.

That got me thinking about something else, it might just be a cultural thing, and that is that I was told that animals can see spirits, especially dogs. So it could be a mixture of them (ghost) existing on a different plane and us (humans) not being able to see on things in that plane. At least not all of us anyway.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Ghosts obviously exist. Weather they are a figment of our imagination, or something real out there independant from our minds, is another question. I don't know the answer to that because I do not have any experience with it. But just the fact that the word "ghost" exists means someone experienced ghosts, weather it was for real our in their imagination, the experience was definitly there, and that is what makes ghosts exist.

The question is not, do they exist? It's WHERE do they exist? On the mental plane, or on the physical plane? They obviously exist on the mental plane, but do they also exist on the physical plane? I've seen lots of movies on youtube with video footage of ghosts.. but they could as well be fake, the only way to know is first hand experience. So for me ghosts are a mystery.

If someone did know HOW to see ghosts, we could just simply try it out and see for ourselves. So if you know, please do share.

Yep , and Santa Clause too.............


hopefully you will understand the joke

I personally do not believe in ghosts, but I still read the stories and watch the movies. They are chilling, interesting and fun, but thats as far as I take it.

although i have never directly seen a ghost there is always the sense of a strange presnece of my grandparents in my house.

And many of my family members have directly encountered my grandfather and my great grandmother

but anyways I believe in the supernatural....

And if they don't exist oh well its not like it reallly matters whetehr or not something is real just that you have faith....

OH NO Here comes a debate about religion.

You can have faith in something without having religion.
I should know.

I'm willing to risk my life and soul...so where can I go to see some ghosts?

How do you become a ghost so that when I'm old and I die I can make sure I become one and can show the world ghosts exist.

I respect people. I respect them if they say they don't believe in ghosts. but I wish they would respect people who have had such paranormal experiences as well. the ghost phenomenon is so large, its believed that someone who is close to you has already seen one.

but I mean come on, if you are the type of person who openly says "if you see a ghost..YOURE AN IDIOT" do you think they would share with you something they can't explain??

its said that the numbers of NDEs that are being reported is on the rise. but NDE investigators believe the number of NDEs hasn't increased. rather, for many years someone was too afraid to talk. and now that others are talking, they feel a little safer to talk as well. its the same with ghosts. or other phenomenon. if you the people around you think you're crazy - they ain't going to tell you.

even if you don't believe in ghosts. can you at least believe the phenomenon is real? that something unexplained is happening?

Well said.

Originally Posted by juroara

I respect people. I respect them if they say they don't believe in ghosts. but I wish they would respect people who have had such paranormal experiences as well. the ghost phenomenon is so large, its believed that someone who is close to you has already seen one.

but I mean come on, if you are the type of person who openly says "if you see a ghost..YOURE AN IDIOT" do you think they would share with you something they can't explain??

its said that the numbers of NDEs that are being reported is on the rise. but NDE investigators believe the number of NDEs hasn't increased. rather, for many years someone was too afraid to talk. and now that others are talking, they feel a little safer to talk as well. its the same with ghosts. or other phenomenon. if you the people around you think you're crazy - they ain't going to tell you.

even if you don't believe in ghosts. can you at least believe the phenomenon is real? that something unexplained is happening?

Originally Posted by juroara

even if you don't believe in ghosts. can you at least believe the phenomenon is real? that something unexplained is happening?

Unexplained sure, sometimes, sometimes it is lies, however I'm willing to split off at unexplained and stop before heading to unexplainable.

But at the same time if ghosts were real there would be some serious hard core evidence that everyone in the world would be forced to be aware of...it would be the single greatest discovery of all mankind...

Originally Posted by Sandform

But at the same time if ghosts were real there would be some serious hard core evidence that everyone in the world would be forced to be aware of...it would be the single greatest discovery of all mankind...

how can we prove ghosts are real, if we can't even first prove the spirit is real?

I think the real problem why we have no convincing evidence is because its been left in the hands of thrill seekers. people carrying strange equipment with funny ideas that ghosts are these things that go bump in the night.

if ghosts are real - we should call them by a more proper name. spirits. and get rid of all that hollywood baggage

now how do we go about proving in the existence that the human being has a spirit? well, according to mystics - the spirit is actually just consciousness, pure consciousness.

so now we've already run into trouble. because we don't even all agree how consciousness arises, or even, what consciousness is! if we can't get that far, how far can we even begin to talk about consciousness manifesting outside of a body?

what substance is consciousness made out of? how do we measure it? how do we locate where consciousness is?

Originally Posted by juroara

how can we prove ghosts are real, if we can't even first prove the spirit is real?

Another point, if the spirit were real then we could prove it. By spirit I mean something that exists independently of the body (capable of living after cellular death.)

Originally Posted by juroara

what substance is consciousness made out of? how do we measure it? how do we locate where consciousness is?

Valuable questions. What is consciousness. Is it neural tissue...or is it patterning...or is it something transcendent to known physics? No one really knows right now. I have read many books over the mind and really there is only speculation over the subject which seems to point towards patterning.

yes i belive in spirts ive have seen one myself "i think you can never be 100% till it hits you full on" it was early in the morning the sun still hasent come up and it was very dark i woke up from a dream and im 100% sher that it wasent a FA i looked over by my door and there was a medeviel knight standing there armor and all i was very scared once i reilezed it was there it went away ive also awakin from dreams before and have seen spiders in my bed went to smash them and they where gone. if they where spirts or i was just plane seeing stuff who knows only death will prove.

peace all

Okay, just because you can't prove something exist, doesn't mean you can't disprove it.

You guys act like we as a species have the answers and means to acquire anything we want or find out anything we want to know. It's not that easy. We barely know anything about our own planet and only a small percentage of animal/insects/birds/plants, etc. that exist on our own planet have been discovered. There's still that 90+% that we still haven't discovered because we don't have the means to do so. We still have our limits.
It's a big world with many layers. We don't know everything and yet, we're spending millions of dollars trying to explore other planets.

You can't prove or disprove anything without having the means to do so.

Originally Posted by juroara

how can we prove ghosts are real, if we can't even first prove the spirit is real?

I think the real problem why we have no convincing evidence is because its been left in the hands of thrill seekers. people carrying strange equipment with funny ideas that ghosts are these things that go bump in the night.

if ghosts are real - we should call them by a more proper name. spirits. and get rid of all that hollywood baggage

now how do we go about proving in the existence that the human being has a spirit? well, according to mystics - the spirit is actually just consciousness, pure consciousness.

so now we've already run into trouble. because we don't even all agree how consciousness arises, or even, what consciousness is! if we can't get that far, how far can we even begin to talk about consciousness manifesting outside of a body?

what substance is consciousness made out of? how do we measure it? how do we locate where consciousness is?

I just feel like why not. No I'm not gonna be superstitious and not going to move into a house because someone dies there but I believe that ghosts exist. You can feel the presence of them sometimes.

But its not like I'm gonna call someone an idiot for not agreeing with me. Everyone has the right to their opinion.

I absolutely do. It's not even something I question anymore.
I have had numerous experiences starting with my childhood.
People in my family have had experiences.
I could go on and on.

I don't really have time to argue with non-believers. It's just something everyone will have to find out for themselves.

The thing about ghosts, is that sure, you can't always prove they exist, but you can't really disprove they exist and say that they absolutely don't either. Because when really unexplainable things happen, when we CAN NOT explain them (repeat for emphasis lol), no matter how hard we try, where does the finger point? Automatically we point to the imagination of one person who 'saw' it. But then when another and another sees it, we start saying they are 'crazy'. (we as in people who believe in science and not ghosts) But really, if you can't explain the 'ghost' type thing, then why not accept the fact that just maybe it is a spirit or ghost or apparition.

By the way, I'm not saying that sciencie people can't believe in ghosts, I'm just saying when you but those two things together that's what happens.

~Proud believer in many things supernatural.

Originally Posted by GothgirlMichelle

The thing about ghosts, is that sure, you can't always prove they exist, but you can't really disprove they exist and say that they absolutely don't either. Because when really unexplainable things happen, when we CAN NOT explain them (repeat for emphasis lol), no matter how hard we try, where does the finger point? Automatically we point to the imagination of one person who 'saw' it. But then when another and another sees it, we start saying they are 'crazy'. (we as in people who believe in science and not ghosts) But really, if you can't explain the 'ghost' type thing, then why not accept the fact that just maybe it is a spirit or ghost or apparition.

By the way, I'm not saying that sciencie people can't believe in ghosts, I'm just saying when you but those two things together that's what happens.

~Proud believer in many things supernatural.

I agree, but I cannot believe scientists just cannot come up with an awsner. You'd think after all this time they would be able to lean one way or another. Maby they do lean against, they don't exist, i'm not really up to date, so correct me if i'm wrong.

I do not believe in "ghosts" although I do believe in "spirits". The major difference for me, is one can be called harmful and be afraid of, the other is widely accepted as harmless. I have "felt" spirits within a few places, also. The one major time, is that my mother used to house-sit in these old peoples houses, and she took me there to visit a few times after she moved out. We were inside of the house, (she was friends with them after working with them for so long) and I went to the attic. I sat there for about 2 hours reading, but I knew they were there. It was a small feeling like you were being watched, and a small feeling as though you knew you were safe.. It was pretty cool.

I beleive when i was little there was one in our house that i used to play with. I called her "the lady"