Thread: Lucifer walks the earth...

Originally Posted by italianmonkey

if people imagines something in the smoke, it means they have that something in their mind.
if a society has monsters in its mind, than no good will come from this...

does being rational help being peaceful?
maybe

for sure, being paranoid doesn't help in any case. specially if it favours violence.

I'm sure that would make perfect comprehensible sense in an alternate universe.

WHAT does not make sense?

if you go around seing devils in the clouds, then it means you'r paranoid. ok?
than if you'r paranoid and go around killing people that scare you (like america does), it will have unpleasant consequences. at least for the people you kill.

i don't see where it stops being comprehensible.

Is america really hated that bad? o.o

Originally Posted by KuRoSaKi

Originally Posted by EVIL JOE

That looks like...

[Edit by Oneironaut: Yeah...uhm....No. Prank denied. Consider this a warning, and if you value having an account here, don't post shit like this again. Ever.

Thanks and have a nice day.]

Please don't follow the directions Evil Joe has given.

Originally Posted by EVIL JOE

That looks like...[Edited by Mod]

You're sick dude.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yeah, I was thinking about how bizarre it would be if there are demons and they just happen to resemble humans, though one of the formations looked like a dog or something. And if they are nonphysical, why would they need eyes, noses, mouths, and other such parts, and why would those parts be in exactly the same places humans have them? Also, why wouldn't they just stay in that form and say, "Hey, we're demons, and we did this evil!"? Why would they be vague, debatable, temporary blips in the smoke? I don't get it.

not to say I believe in demons, but to answer your question about why they would take this form. I think that is part of how they could control people.

If spirits are as believers say, then there are only two ways to control people...going in to a body or by manipulation. Manipulation can control a lot more people than just possessing someone. Not just coming out and saying, "hey, we caused people to do this" creates a rift between the people who believe in it and dont and causes more fighting...better manipulation, if they just came out that way, humans could easily unite against all the fighting to get rid of them

That would explain why they appear as the evil humans we associate demons with. and in order to be scary, they would have to take the form we associate with evil.

just to add to the convo... easter cultures have demons in other forms than humans, like foxes and horses (a funny coincidence given the conversation) Again, Im not saying I believe in them, but I can see where the logic would be in acting the way they do.

edit: heh, the one in the middle right looks like optimus prime to me!

Originally Posted by dodobird

Hey, I can't see it in the top left one, can you paint something around it so I can see it?

Sorry it took so long, I tried to fill in as many dark areas as possible without misconstruing this to look demonic. Meaning...I tried to outline this without deliberately showing what I see, I did this by zooming in a on the pic and just filling in the dark areas I could find. This is the end result. Compare the before and after and see if you can see the after in the before.

demon escaping.JPG

Modified Picture

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Sorry it took so long, I tried to fill in as many dark areas as possible without misconstruing this to look demonic. Meaning...I tried to outline this without deliberately showing what I see, I did this by zooming in a on the pic and just filling in the dark areas I could find. This is the end result. Compare the before and after and see if you can see the after in the before.

demon escaping.JPG

Modified Picture

Thanks! It looks kinda cute in your drawing =)

Originally Posted by tkdyo

That would explain why they appear as the evil humans we associate demons with. and in order to be scary, they would have to take the form we associate with evil.

agreed! spirits are supposed to be formless. if a demon shows up as a pale girl with long black hair crawling out of your television, that's just because that's what scares you most.

its the same with good spirits. angels aren't people with bird wings stapled to their backs, thats just how believers expect to see them

you must realise that those pictures show just a moment of what really happened. In the next second there probably wasn't anything in the smoke anymore. Plus, the smoke was probably coming out of different windows or spaces at different speeds, in which case it would easily create those images...

And about demons manifesting physically... please... Satanists are the ones manifesting hallucinations, cause even if demons exist, they'd probably have better things to do... And the face looked like the demon they saw... It also looks like the demons I saw in a lot of movies, maybe they all look the same! Anyway, I definetelly won't lose sleep over this subject loool

Oh and I also saw other demons on the first picture, and my little pony is also there!

ohh gosh thats really creeepy mate

Originally Posted by MrGrEmLiN

you must realise that those pictures show just a moment of what really happened. In the next second there probably wasn't anything in the smoke anymore. Plus, the smoke was probably coming out of different windows or spaces at different speeds, in which case it would easily create those images...

And about demons manifesting physically... please... Satanists are the ones manifesting hallucinations, cause even if demons exist, they'd probably have better things to do... And the face looked like the demon they saw... It also looks like the demons I saw in a lot of movies, maybe they all look the same! Anyway, I definetelly won't lose sleep over this subject loool

Oh and I also saw other demons on the first picture, and my little pony is also there!

Granted i'm not a total believer in this either...you're supposed to keep an open mind in the beyond dreaming forum and not bash it.

p.s. Your little pony died in the fire as well, made for a good barbecue.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Granted i'm not a total believer in this either...you're supposed to keep an open mind in the beyond dreaming forum and not bash it.

p.s. Your little pony died in the fire as well, made for a good barbecue.

I keep an open minded, but demons in the smoke... It's just too much! And believe me, I've done a lot of meditation and a lot of AP attempts. I do believe in the spiritual realm, but that's just smoke doing random shapes. probably it also had a lot of other shapes in a lot of different moments and no one was paying attention to them.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

not to say I believe in demons, but to answer your question about why they would take this form. I think that is part of how they could control people.

If spirits are as believers say, then there are only two ways to control people...going in to a body or by manipulation. Manipulation can control a lot more people than just possessing someone. Not just coming out and saying, "hey, we caused people to do this" creates a rift between the people who believe in it and dont and causes more fighting...better manipulation, if they just came out that way, humans could easily unite against all the fighting to get rid of them

That would explain why they appear as the evil humans we associate demons with. and in order to be scary, they would have to take the form we associate with evil.

just to add to the convo... easter cultures have demons in other forms than humans, like foxes and horses (a funny coincidence given the conversation) Again, Im not saying I believe in them, but I can see where the logic would be in acting the way they do.

edit: heh, the one in the middle right looks like optimus prime to me!

If I were an evil demon, I would be terrifying everybody in the world by pushing over the Statue of Liberty and stomping every major city's downtown simultaneously Godzilla style while switching around taking the forms of the stereotypical devil image (red with horns and tail) and the stereotypical Jesus and God images and say on major news networks that I am God and that I now reveal that I am also Satan and always have been and that all people are doomed to burn forever and cannot do anything about it. Then I would make all televisions in the world explode. That would be some real control. If there were demons in that 9/11 smoke, they have a bunch of people in this forum laughing at them.

However, those pictures are very interesting, and this is a really interesting thread.

/exhales soul

Originally Posted by KuRoSaKi

lulz

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If I were an evil demon, I would be terrifying everybody in the world by pushing over the Statue of Liberty and stomping every major city's downtown simultaneously Godzilla style while switching around taking the forms of the stereotypical devil image (red with horns and tail) and the stereotypical Jesus and God images and say on major news networks that I am God and that I now reveal that I am also Satan and always have been and that all people are doomed to burn forever and cannot do anything about it. Then I would make all televisions in the world explode. That would be some real control. If there were demons in that 9/11 smoke, they have a bunch of people in this forum laughing at them.

However, those pictures are very interesting, and this is a really interesting thread.

you forgot the whole spiritual part of demons =b

thats just a monster

monster = physical

spiritual = not physical, must manipulate physical things to make presence known, which is why some believe flying objects are caused by angry spirits



umzilla!

Very interesting discussion you all have going on here, I continue to thoroughly enjoy reading both sides perspectives.

Originally Posted by juroara

you forgot the whole spiritual part of demons =b

thats just a monster

monster = physical

spiritual = not physical, must manipulate physical things to take presence known, which is why some believe flying objects are caused by angry spirits



umzilla!

They could use physical objects covered in smoke or something to take the forms I am talking about.

I believe they cannot control physical things for very long, it drains their energy, at least in theory. That is why they have to manipulate people and cant become two ton monsters. That whole feeding off of negative energy thing. Im sure making themselves appear in a glimps of smoke would take much less energy than substaining that form or possessing people for long periods of time.

This is exactly why if there are demons I dont fear them. If they dont have enough power to control an object indefinatley, what is scary about them? still waiting for some absolute proof of them, but the pics are, as you say, interesting.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

I believe they cannot control physical things for very long, it drains their energy, at least in theory. That is why they have to manipulate people and cant become two ton monsters. That whole feeding off of negative energy thing. Im sure making themselves appear in a glimps of smoke would take much less energy than substaining that form or possessing people for long periods of time.

This is exactly why if there are demons I dont fear them. If they dont have enough power to control an object indefinatley, what is scary about them? still waiting for some absolute proof of them, but the pics are, as you say, interesting.

Hm, what you are saying theoretically makes sense.

1. I don't b elieve in one Satan or antichrist, but I do believe in many different demons and antichrists. I don't know if these antichrists were inspired by demons or if they are just spiritually retarded, and I don't know if demons are real or if they come from our psyches, but as you'll find out when you die, the figments of your psyche are just as real as the real world in the right plane of existence.

2. Assuming demons exist as individual entities, they need to be shown love in the face of their hunger for hate. They have no power over love.

3. The people responsible for 9/11 do need to be brought to justice. They are probably not muslim, but that's a different story, and killing them doesn't help us, it's just more blood for the demons.

Are there any pictures of George Bush's face in the smoke?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Are there any pictures of George Bush's face in the smoke?

It will be cooler if there was his face in the killed..