Looking for Dreamwalking advice

[Moloch]

I have recently realized that I may be a latent dreamwalker. see http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=76760 for more info on the event I would like to find any sort of information I can on this subject, particularly how to make this happen on my own volition. So far it has only happened by accident, and the only verification I have had about this happened a couple days ago, which really freaked me out. I plan to do a lot of reading about this. I have not read much on this forum yet, but I am doing that right now as I start this post.

[BigFan]

I have recently realized that I may be a latent dreamwalker. see http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=76760 for more info on the event I would like to find any sort of information I can on this subject, particularly how to make this happen on my own volition. So far it has only happened by accident, and the only verification I have had about this happened a couple days ago, which really freaked me out. I plan to do a lot of reading about this. I have not read much on this forum yet, but I am doing that right now as I start this post. Hello there and welcome to dreamviews As to dreamwalking, there isn't much on here about it, thus, the one section for everything Beyond Dreaming. I think it's possible although I've never experienced it. As for your experience, do you mind sharing it? It'll add more proof to our side of the argument

[Moloch]

yes, read the link on the first post, it has plenty of detail about the experience. If you want more, please ask questions, this is new to me as well, but I will answer the best I can.

[BigFan]

yes, read the link on the first post, it has plenty of detail about the experience. If you want more, please ask questions, this is new to me as well, but I will answer the best I can. oh, ok, yes, I did skim that dream

[Lucid fanatic]

As this is an extremely rare phenomenon its VERY hard to find information on the topic... I completely understand what you mean by you had a connection, and my theory about this is that maybe there is some kind of field or something emitted frm consciences that could connect people? There are obviously LOTS of problems with this theory, but hell, when it comes to telepathic communicating where isn't there How far away were you from the other person? Can you explain the kind of emotion that connected you? (Terror, Joy, Loneliness? You know, you've felt it ) I think you already said you weren't lucid? Anyway that might be completely irrelevent but i tried

[Moloch]

We were about 15-20 miles apart in the real world, but from what I have been reading lately about all sorts of things such as this, I don't think distance in the real world means anything in the dream world. The connection had to do with me telling her a couple things I had never told anyone in my life. I felt very vulnerable, cried a bit, etc. Very personal stuff. You are correct, this was not a lucid dream at all, and it only lasted about 10-20 seconds, but afaik every little detail was exactly the same in both of our dreams. Afaik, I did not do anything special in this dream.. no thinking about a tunnel leading to the other person or anything. The first thing I remember about it, I was already standing next to the car with her, there was nothing before (that I can remember). I have read a fantasy novel series by Robert Jordan called The Wheel of Time series. It makes me wonder where he got all his information for his book about everything from dreams, to magic, to shielding your dreams, etc. It seems like everything I read about right now is directly pulled from his books, or he pulled this information from somewhere to write his books.

[The Cusp]

Physical distance doesn't seem to be an issue. You hear a lot of people saying that time isn't important (both sleeping at same time) but I have my doubts about that. I'm currently working on initiating a shared dream, but I'm having difficulty making a connection. I'll figure it out eventually. I've been visited by people in my dreams, fought them, and learned a great deal about dreaming from those interactions. My specialty is dream combat. If you ever need to know more how that works in a shared dream, PM me. By the way, the dreaming info in the Wheel of Time is very inaccurate. Robert Jordan doesn't have a clue as to how dreams work.

[Moloch]

I'm really not certain if this is something I made happen or her. My reasoning is that I had gone to bed around 12:30AM, and woke up at 5:45AM. This dream happened right before I woke up, whereas she was falling asleep around 5:30AM. Its possible that she was the one who made the connection as she was falling asleep. I will talk to her later tonight about this and see what she was thinking about as she was falling asleep.

[WakataDreamer]

Moloch, Moloch, Moloch. What you experienced is Shared Dreaming. More than one person, sharing a dream. Dreamwalking is the purposeful movement of a person into another person's dream. They weren't already sharing a dream with them, they actually exited their dream, and, if you will, "broke in" to someone else's. Related, but not the same term, not the same thing. I felt an OCD urge to set you straight before your facts got totally screwed.

[Moloch]

While I understand they are not exactly the same thing, they are very similar. You are just talking semantics now. Considering your definition, a 'shared dream' is more of something that just happens, and you cannot force to happen, I ask about dreamwalking because that is something that you can consciously force to happen once in a lucid dream. I would like to understand how to step out of a dream and into someone else's dream, or pull them out of their dream and into mine, or a neutral space, or whatever would be less oppressive and invasive. I am not looking to spy on anyone's private thoughts, give them nightmares, or any of that. I now have 4 friends that have asked me to try and enter their dreams to give them confirmation that this in fact can happen. I would like to accommodate them, and try this if I can figure out how. This is not something that I could do with a 'shared dream' by your definition.. hence why this topic is about dreamwalking.

[The Cusp]

You don't go into someone else's dream, and they don't come into yours. When shared dreaming happens, each participant experiences their own unique dream. But there is still some overlap between them, which is necessary for it to be shared. That is to say both people may not experience the exact same thing. If two people in a shared dream dream of a dragon, the person who's into Pokemon won't see the same dragon as someone who's into D&D. In one shared dreaming account, a father and son were walking to a restaurant. The son dreamed of a Burger King, but when his father told him his version of the dream, the father saw a Denny's. Both were restaurants, they just perceived them differently according to their own personal archetypes. Those kinds of inconsistencies, the same yet different, are an important aspect of dream combat. You don't attack someone with your dream, you use their dream against them.

[Moloch]

You don't go into someone else's dream, and they don't come into yours. In shared dreaming, you are right. This topic is about dream walking as I just discussed in my previous post. Personally, the shared dream I experienced, had everything exactly the same for both of us, every detail, every word. It was a short dream, only 10-20 seconds, and I can't say it will always be like that, or if it is the same for other people. My experience with dreams such as shared dreams and premonition dreams appears quite different from the way other people experience such events from what information I can find. I may be some sort of intuitive/natural. For example, whenever I have a premonition dream, it feels different, so I know it was a premonition dream as soon as I wake. From what I understand this is rare. Most people don't know it was a premonition dream until the event happens, or they visit the place they saw in their dream. Another point is that when someone is in my dream with me, another entity/spirit/whatever-you-call-them, I can feel/sense them as soon as they show up. I know exactly who it is, assuming I've met the person in the waking world, even though they tend to not look like the person. I haven't asked about this aspect, but I assume most people can't tell that difference either. For me it is like a kick in the head - it's obvious I was just kicked in the head, I know who did it (the person standing in front of me), etc. I have no intentions to combat anyone in their dreams, I am not looking to spy on anyone, scare them, or any of that. Cusp: I heard you were a dream stalker. If you have the urge, feel free to enter my dreams and get what is coming to you. I am undefeated in my dreams, although I don't believe I have fought anything other than my own imagination, where I know they are going to swing at me before it happens. I have no fears, so don't bother trying to scare me, I will just laugh and hurt you. Be warned, if you do try this, you might not make it back to your body, I have no problem with harming someone that has ill intentions towards myself or other people.

[The Cusp]

Cusp: I heard you were a dream stalker. If you have the urge, feel free to enter my dreams and get what is coming to you. I am undefeated in my dreams, although I don't believe I have fought anything other than my own imagination, where I know they are going to swing at me before it happens. I have no fears, so don't bother trying to scare me, I will just laugh and hurt you. Be warned, if you do try this, you might not make it back to your body, I have no problem with harming someone that has ill intentions towards myself or other people. Lol, no, I'm a wannabe dream stalker. And I have a long list of people who want me to find them, so don't hold your breath. While I admire your attitude, you really don't understand how dream combat works. It's not about violence at all, it's about capturing your opponent's attention. It's not what I would do to you, but what I make you do to yourself. I used to think that too, that I'd kick anyone's butt in dreams, but I wasn't even playing the same game. My intentions aren't bad, they are only to demonstrate how dream control works. That sort of combat just happens to be a very good way to go about doing that. And really, it's a lot of fun to do.

[Moloch]

That is all well and good, but I can only imagine that I have a much better idea of what is possible than you do. No offense of course. I see you as what my brother would call a Craft Wiccan. Much like a girl who watched the movie/TV show, then decided it would be a fun thing to play with; you are basically doing the same thing. If you have no ill intentions its all good for me, but even so, many people would not appreciate you showing in their dreams. I will tell you this, if you figure out what you are doing, and manage to show up in my dreams, I plan to imprison you there for 3 waking days. This will only be a warning - do it again and consequences will be much more severe. Likely your body will just sleep through the whole thing, you shouldn't die or anything, but you will get the picture.

[The Cusp]

That is all well and good, but I can only imagine that I have a much better idea of what is possible than you do. No offense of course. I see you as what my brother would call a Craft Wiccan. Much like a girl who watched the movie/TV show, then decided it would be a fun thing to play with; you are basically doing the same thing. Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I'm not claiming some secret knowledge only I possess, I've been doing my best to explain dream control here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57283 I've been asked to turn it into a tutorial, which I'll get around to now that it's almost complete. It's even being translated into Russian! I'm no amateur hobby dreamer. If you have no ill intentions its all good for me, but even so, many people would not appreciate you showing in their dreams. I'm only trying to find people who've asked me to. Well, aside from Delphinus, but he's been doing a good job a dream guide so I'm not really mad at him anymore. I will tell you this, if you figure out what you are doing, and manage to show up in my dreams, I plan to imprison you there for 3 waking days. This will only be a warning - do it again and consequences will be much more severe. Likely your body will just sleep through the whole thing, you shouldn't die or anything, but you will get the picture. All right tough guy, I'm bumping you to the top of my list. With mad skills like trapping people in a dream, why are you making me do all the work? Feel free to come find me anytime. You talk the talk, now back it up with some knowledge you can share or just bring it. I mean you come here asking about shared dreaming, and now all of a sudden you're a master. Puh-lease!

[WakataDreamer]

All right tough guy, I'm bumping you to the top of my list. Ohhhh shitz.

[Moloch]

I am not saying I am a master dreamer or anything. I consider myself to be a good person, who is trying to learn something he is unfamiliar with. The difference I am pointing out is that I believe I have innate talent with things of this ilk, not just dreaming, but energy work like qigong (chi kung), kundalini, etc. Much of this started for me when I was <10 years old and essentially discovered qigong energy work by myself without any sort of resource or guidance. I had no idea what it was, but it worked. It was not until 15 years later when I read about this kind of thing and realized that other people could do these things as well. I also have something that other people, likely including yourself, don't possess when it comes to dreaming, which I have already discussed. You on the other hand, come off sounding like some snotty kid that is trying to play pranks on people, spy on their dreams, do battle, etc. This is why I call you the dream stalker equivalent of a Craft Wiccan. I am only trying to egg you on because I lack experience and would be happy to get some through someone I could easily handle like yourself. You talk about dream combat, but I imagine you limit yourself severely because you believe certain things are possible, and others not. I am not saying that anything is possible, but from my experience with energy work, magic, etc., anything is possible. Even more so when things like this are combined with each other. You seem to get your jollies by scaring other people on this forum into thinking you could show up in their dreams, etc. This is a bad attitude. The fact that you call yourself a wannabe dream stalker and not dream walker implies that you have ill intent. This is what upsets me about your attitude. I am a very fast learner, and plan to take you up on the offer of finding you myself. When I do, I promise to do exactly as I said I would. Once this happens I will post a thread in this forum telling people why they wont see you for a few days. Hopefully this will change your attitude about screwing with other people's dreams. On the other hand, I do appreciate your link to the topic you started. I have only glanced at it, but from my point of view it is completely wrong. If the dream world is anything like the spirit realm(s) - at this point I assume they are the same thing until I prove to myself differently - your first 2 rules make little sense to me. Giving something your attention might bring it into existence, but it will still linger even after you take your attention away, it will not disappear immediately. The longer or more strongly that you have focused on something, the longer it will linger. If you repeat this on a daily basis, you can make it a semi-permanent fixture. You sure sound like you have convinced yourself about certain things in that thread, but from my experience with such things, you are very very wrong. I will pick it apart when I have more time if you like, but for now take what I have said, think about it, and try it.

[Moloch]

While I will admit you have more experience with dreams than I, my expertise lies elsewhere. I firmly believe that I understand things on a deeper level than most. I understand what we are as a human/spirit, how/why we came to be here, who/where we are going, the meaning of life, all that jazz and more. This is the reason I believe that you are wrong on certain things, and are essentially a blind man feeling his way in the dark. Whereas I consider myself to see things much more clearly, I just lack the personal experience necessary to be a master of the craft. This I plan to rectify in the near future. See you soon friend.

[The Cusp]

I'm done arguing with you kid. Your posts are dripping with arrogance, and you seem more interested in personal attacks and proving how special you are than conducting a civilized discussion. There is nothing more that needs to be said between us. Either you find me or I find you and we see what happens.

[WakataDreamer]

lol cya ಠ_ಠ

[Moloch]

Hell, I was trying to be nice to the guy and point out his misperception of the first rule he posted. I even offered to go over the rest of this 11+ page thread and see what else I could find. I'm the one that should be mad.. him having hijacked my thread and all. I'm really not a big fan of people that want to be a bad guy, but don't know what they are doing, even after they have been at this for over a year. I'm also not a big fan of douchebags that will post the same thing that was just discussed in the 2 previous posts! just proves that the guy didn't read before he posted (see posts 9-11)

[Lucid fanatic]

Theres way to little knowledge on the subject to even think about the possibility of imprisoning or killing someone in a dream! Although i know absolutely nothing in comparison to alot of the people here, believing that you could imprison someone for three waking days just contradicts EVERYTHING i've researched over the past week. I'd be a bit more inclined to take the research of thousands frequent dreamers over one mans assumptions. PS. It'd be awesome if anyone came into my dreams!

[pepolshet]

Yeah sure just turn your Dream Bluetooth on and accept when other people try to join

[Lucid fanatic]

Simple as! now with a two step tut lol

[Hukif]

I don't think there is much advice on dreamwalking, I mean, some can enter the dreams but even then it is difficult, so if you find something, please tell! Theres way to little knowledge on the subject to even think about the possibility of imprisoning or killing someone in a dream! Although i know absolutely nothing in comparison to alot of the people here, believing that you could imprison someone for three waking days just contradicts EVERYTHING i've researched over the past week. I'd be a bit more inclined to take the research of thousands frequent dreamers over one mans assumptions. PS. It'd be awesome if anyone came into my dreams! If shared dreaming is possible, I assure you there is tons of ways to kill a person, aside from that, I don't think you can make someone stay asleep for so long, or even for a little while, but who knows?