Thread: Spirits.

Mate? I'd stick to your "psychopomp" if I were you. Very aptly named.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Well now.. there's a thing.. so do mine..

But when I've asked them if they are the "spirits of dead people" they always answer in the negative.... do yours say that they are?

Many have in fact told me that they were dead spirits when I asked them specifically.

So my experience was the opposite of yours. Now what? Don't assume no one knows anything about LDing just because they don't have the exact same response from the people they encounter in dreams that you do. What your DCs tell you is extremely subjective. Your experience, too is subjective. We can all ask a DC the same question and all get a different answer. In fact, that was one of the Lucid Tasks.

Why on Earth do you think that all DCs would respond exactly the same way to completely different people in different dreams? And how do you jump to "Your DCs didn't give you the exact same answer so you must not know what you're talking about"? That is a moronic thing to think. Now, I'm not calling you a moron and never did...I'm just saying that your knee-jerk opinion about this particular thing was NOT thought out at all, and thus moronic.

Well, I have found all this very interesting, and I too beleive that one can communicate to spirits through dreams, and while awake.

I also had this thought on something that someone said earlier:

Good spirits either go to be in heaven (however you picture it, jesus, budda, muhammed. Many prophets have tried to explain it and they all go to the same place)...and Bad spirits are left to wonder the earth like lucifer who "walks the earth" in "hell" ??

Right so everything that isn't heaven is hell; hence...earth.

quote from Thinker
It is my thought that "Hell" in the traditional "fire and Brimstone" vision is not true, but rather hell is a state of mind.

It is my belief that when spirits die, they go to one of two places;
1. "Paradise" or a place of rest before a "judgement" or
2. a sort of prison, or place of penitence, or a state of "hell"
these are both states of mind rather than locations, though I beleve that both of these are on earth.

Hope that I was not too off topic and that I did not confuse anyone

-Kordan

Originally Posted by Naiya

Many have in fact told me that they were dead spirits when I asked them specifically.

"Specifically", right?

What was the EXACT wording of the question, and the EXACT answer?

And don't make anything up.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Perhaps for some. I'm not satisfied with that though. Fistly, I didn't day invisible or undetectable - you did. Visible with what we call "eyes"? No. But are there other senses that we have that CAN detect this? Yes.

Admittedly, it is a very personal belief and not one that can be proven one way or the other (at this point). But an accidental existance consisting merely of a combination of bio-electric impulses generated by some insubstantial mass of mostly nothingness to me is even harder to believe than that there is more to our existance - and by extension ALL existance - than what can be experienced through our traditional five senses or recorded through imperical data.

You can call that universal energy whatever you want. It doesn't change what it is. As Juliet said, "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

Actually you can't detect this, you haven't told me how you can actually. You've just said "beyond the normal senses" which sounds very nice but has no real standing unless you actually explain what you mean without using vague terminology.


ANY unifying theory is hard to believe. Whatever the final answer, be it God, your energy, or simple science, we will always search for more, because the concept of meaning is so abstract that we can never achieve it on a universal level.


I still can't see the justification for this belief other than you don't like the idea of us being so pointless. That can't just be it, can it?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

"Specifically", right?

What was the EXACT wording of the question, and the EXACT answer?

And don't make anything up.

Yes, specifically. I've been LDing for about 8 years now, I've had a lot of time to ask a lot of questions, including yours specifically as well as the same question in different wording.

Can you answer my questions now? I'm not asking them to be a jerk, I really want to figure out how you came to the conclusion you did.

Why on Earth do you think that all DCs would respond exactly the same way to completely different people in different dreams? And how do you jump to "Your DCs didn't give you the exact same answer so you must not know what you're talking about"?

Originally Posted by Omega Weapon

Actually you can't detect this, you haven't told me how you can actually. You've just said "beyond the normal senses" which sounds very nice but has no real standing unless you actually explain what you mean without using vague terminology.

How does one describe "seeing" to someone with no concept of "eyes"? To them, all statements would be vague.

Sorry. Can't help you.

Originally Posted by Naiya

Yes, specifically. I've been LDing for about 8 years now, I've had a lot of time to ask a lot of questions, including yours specifically as well as the same question in different wording. Can you answer my questions now?

But you haven't answered my question at all!

I'll ask you one more time:

What was the EXACT wording of the question? And the EXACT answer?

And if you avoid answering this time, I'll just have to draw my own conclusions. Your intransigence on this matter leads me to doubt your word even more.. but I'll give you one more chance to answer, that's if you can remember what was said, that is.

I'm sorry but you my friend are infurating. You act like you know everything there is to know, and if we don't agree with you then we're wrong. What is your problem? I thought the people on here had open minds. You haven't even added anything substantial to the thread, just belittled people and you remind of an adolesent kid. What are you going to do when you are LDing and there is a SPIRIT (the consiousness of a being, or what saxon would call the essense of a person, have you ever heard of existensialisim? Essence is being) In your dream, and they scare the piss out of you, and you ask them because you are so profoundly lucid, "Where did you come from" and they tell you something along the lines that they are in or are from hell (however you see the word) and tell you that they suffer from being away from the light.

There is so much out there that we can't sense with our five senses. We are restricted by these bodies to do what we were built for, to live. We only use something like 8% of our brain, what does the other 92% do smarty pants?

And Saxon is right about atoms, and atoms go smaller into quarks.
Atoms are made of Protons and Electrons.
Positive and Negative.
Without one there would not be the other, they thrive on each other.
Then there is Anti-Matter which is the exact same thing, except our galaxy is made of regular matter, but there is an equal ammount of anti-matter in the universe.
If a anti-proton and a proton where to touch, it would create such a big explostion it would destroy the milky way.

So friend...if spirits are so easy for you to say don't exsist in your dreams or are just DCs. Then tell me these things.

What happens to your "essence" when you die?
and are there other plains of exsistance?
Can there be "spirits" on these other plains?
and if so where did they come from?

Bottom line is I opened this thread for conversation, and to share ideas. Not to belittle other people.

and to say stuff to me like "You are soooooooooooo wrong."
and to tell saxon that "You don't know how to LD"

Who are you?

I think you're an imature kid who exagerates your ability to look cool on an internet forum.

Congradulations, you didn't impress anyone. You only succeded in makeing yourself sound like an ass.

I could do this all day so I'm going to find something better to spend my time on.

Hey everyone especially Saxon who still enjoys the open-minded thread of spirits in your dreams, there is still some stuff I'd like to dive into.

Like plains of exsistance, and astral projection.

Anyone sucessfully projected themselves?

*edit*
The spirits in your LDs proably are DCs, but one day you'll see what we are talking about for obvious reasons, and I hope a spirit picks up on your attitude and does it to you very soon.

I'm sorry but you my friend are infurating. You act like you know everything there is to know, and if we don't agree with you then we're wrong. What is your problem? I thought the people on here had open minds. You haven't even added anything substantial to the thread, just belittled people, and you remind me of an adolesent kid. What are you going to do when you are LDing and there is a SPIRIT (the consiousness of a being, or what saxon would call the essense of a person, have you ever heard of existensialisim? Essence is being) In your dream, and they scare the piss out of you, and you ask them because you are so profoundly lucid, "Where did you come from" and they tell you something along the lines that they are in or are from hell (however you see the word) and tell you that they suffer from being away from the light.

There is so much out there that we can't sense with our five senses. We are restricted by these bodies to do what we were built for, to live. We only use something like 8% of our brain, what does the other 92% do smarty pants?

And Saxon is right about atoms, and atoms go smaller into quarks.
Atoms are made of Protons and Electrons.
Positive and Negative.
Without one there would not be the other, they thrive on each other.
Then there is Anti-Matter which is the exact same thing, except our galaxy is made of regular matter, but there is an equal ammount of anti-matter in the universe.
If a anti-proton and a proton where to touch, it would create such a big explostion it would destroy the milky way.

So friend...if spirits are so easy for you to say don't exsist in your dreams or are just DCs. Then tell me these things.

What happens to your "essence" when you die?
and are there other plains of exsistance?
Can there be "spirits" on these other plains?
and if so where did they come from?

Bottom line is I opened this thread for conversation, and to share ideas. Not to belittle other people.

and to say stuff to me like "You are soooooooooooo wrong."
and to tell saxon that "You don't know how to LD"

Who are you?

I think you're an imature kid who exagerates your ability to look cool on an internet forum.

Congradulations, you didn't impress anyone. You only succeded in makeing yourself sound like an ass.

I could do this all day so I'm going to find something better to spend my time on.

Hey everyone especially Saxon who still enjoys the open-minded thread of spirits in your dreams, there is still some stuff I'd like to dive into.

Like plains of exsistance, and astral projection.

Anyone sucessfully projected themselves?

Yadda yadda..

..and learn to spell, son..

Originally Posted by Think0808

I'm sorry but you my friend are infurating. You act like you know everything there is to know, and if we don't agree with you then we're wrong. What is your problem? I thought the people on here had open minds. You haven't even added anything substantial to the thread, just belittled people, and you remind me of an adolesent kid. What are you going to do when you are LDing and there is a SPIRIT (the consiousness of a being, or what saxon would call the essense of a person, have you ever heard of existensialisim? Essence is being) In your dream, and they scare the piss out of you, and you ask them because you are so profoundly lucid, "Where did you come from" and they tell you something along the lines that they are in or are from hell (however you see the word) and tell you that they suffer from being away from the light.

There is so much out there that we can't sense with our five senses. We are restricted by these bodies to do what we were built for, to live. We only use something like 8% of our brain, what does the other 92% do smarty pants?

And Saxon is right about atoms, and atoms go smaller into quarks.
Atoms are made of Protons and Electrons.
Positive and Negative.
Without one there would not be the other, they thrive on each other.
Then there is Anti-Matter which is the exact same thing, except our galaxy is made of regular matter, but there is an equal ammount of anti-matter in the universe.
If a anti-proton and a proton where to touch, it would create such a big explostion it would destroy the milky way.

So friend...if spirits are so easy for you to say don't exsist in your dreams or are just DCs. Then tell me these things.

What happens to your "essence" when you die?
and are there other plains of exsistance?
Can there be "spirits" on these other plains?
and if so where did they come from?

Bottom line is I opened this thread for conversation, and to share ideas. Not to belittle other people.

and to say stuff to me like "You are soooooooooooo wrong."
and to tell saxon that "You don't know how to LD"

Who are you?

I think you're an imature kid who exagerates your ability to look cool on an internet forum.

Congradulations, you didn't impress anyone. You only succeded in makeing yourself sound like an ass.

I could do this all day so I'm going to find something better to spend my time on.

Hey everyone especially Saxon who still enjoys the open-minded thread of spirits in your dreams, there is still some stuff I'd like to dive into.

Like plains of exsistance, and astral projection.

Anyone sucessfully projected themselves?

Hey Think... Stop feeding the trolls.

And yes, I've "projected" myself. I think I have a slightly different experience of it than what seems to be mainstream "Astral Projection" but my spirit has left my body and Journied to both other wheres and other whens.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

How does one describe "seeing" to someone with no concept of "eyes"? To them, all statements would be vague.

Sorry. Can't help you.

Your implying you have some kind of physical sense I don't?


Are you really that special?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

But you haven't answered my question at all!

I'll ask you one more time:

What was the EXACT wording of the question? And the EXACT answer?

I asked the exact question and got a different answer. This is what I have been telling you for about two pages now. It is what I meant by saying "specifically." Sorry if you misunderstood; I assumed that most people know what the word "specific" means. And my point was, it IS possible for me to get a different answer from a DC asking the same question. Why would you have a problem with that?

You never answered any of my questions at all, to be fair.

Can you answer my questions now? I'm not asking them to be a jerk, I really want to figure out how you came to the conclusion you did.

Why on Earth do you think that all DCs would respond exactly the same way to completely different people in different dreams? And how do you jump to "Your DCs didn't give you the exact same answer so you must not know what you're talking about"?

If you don't I'll just draw my own conclusions--that your theory is moronic and lacks any logic or reason whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Omega Weapon

Your implying you have some kind of physical sense I don't?


Are you really that special?

I've already said that it's not a physical sense. And no - you DO have it. You just won't accept that you have it because you haven't experienced it yet. And unfortunately, that places you in a catch 22 because you can't experience it until you accept it.

And no - I'm not special at all. That's kinda my point. But thanks for putting that out there.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

What I propose is that we are not just physical beings but that we are more substantially energy beings. This "energy" being that which is the stuff in between the subatomic particles and exists as a constant through various levels/phases/stages/planes of what we call "existence."

This energy manifests itself in different ways throughout these planes of existence. It is this constant, but dynamically manifested, energy that I call an individual's "spirit."

some scientists go even far enough to say that atoms (and sub-atomic particles) are basically energy in a different (presumably more condense form). Somewhat like the "Solid changes to liquid changes to gas" changes in state of matter we've all studied in grade school to high school physics.

Do you ever wonder why the spirits only come out at night? I guess it isn't good to get drunk early, though.

Originally Posted by Mark75

Do you ever wonder why the spirits only come out at night? I guess it isn't good to get drunk early, though.

Hey, it's always 5:00 p.m. somewhere.

Well, despite all the hubbub on this thread, I am glad it was posted. It's comforting to know that others have also spoken with deceased relatives/friends through dreams. I have experienced this as well, and lately wished for someone to talk to about it... but not a whole lot of people appreciate or believe in the subject.

Originally Posted by WaaayOutThere

Well, despite all the hubbub on this thread, I am glad it was posted. It's comforting to know that others have also spoken with deceased relatives/friends through dreams. I have experienced this as well, and lately wished for someone to talk to about it... but not a whole lot of people appreciate or believe in the subject.

True dat.

I've communicated with my spirit guide both inside dreams, and out of them. I use a technique called automatic writing, and automatic art. I've actually written it down in my Dream Journal, and posted the pictures there for people to see.

I've been told very specific things by my guides, that have come true as well. You can't get much more specific than "white car, milk tanker, Penshurst Road" when asking how this someone died (while awake and using automatic writing). A year later, my friend ended up dying on Penshurst Road, when her white car was hit by a milk tanker. Sadly I'd ignored the message and passed it off as me accidently "influencing" it. Never again.

I've also been told in a dream about a specific date, which I've written about as well.

I believe that I've also channeled automatic artwork from Joan of Arc too (or Jehanne as she likes to be called), and when I requested that my spirit guide appear I ended up seeing a white dove and a little shadow puppet show about Jehanne in a dream.


I believe that there are many different levels of spirits. God would obviously be the highest form, and then you'd have the Seraphim and all the different levels of angels. Getting down to the lower rungs, you then have your spirit guide being the highest of those, then spirits, then 'ghosts', which we know as these lower vibrational beings that often bear the scars of their deaths and need help 'crossing over' to become a spirit. Then we as humans on the lowest vibrational frequency come last.

Of course, then you have the levels of spirit within yourself. These higher planes of consciousness and stuff, but I guess that doesn't QUITE fit into the conversation.

Ghosts are the easiest for us to see because they are on a lower vibration, spirits are far harder. Spirits are generally good, but you can get the bad ones too if you believe in demons and such. Spirit guides will always be good and are out only to help you. They can take many forms, however.

Sometimes your spirit guide is here with you on earth as someone you may or many not yet know. Sometimes your spirit guide is a saint, or an angel, or Jesus, or God. (Depending on your belief system of course).

Nevertheless, I HAVE communicated with these guides while 100% awake, and they HAVE told me truthful things, and helped me to learn more about myself. It just takes a lot of practice, an open mind, and a sheer NEED to do it. If they don't think you are ready, they won't come.

After making many and frequent contacts with a certain spirit, you get a feel for the way they write, draw or speak, and you can tell when another spirit or ghost or whatever is trying to either cut in or pretend to be them. If that happens, and your supposed guide starts saying negative or hurtful things, then it's best to break contact with them at that point. Just apologise in case it really was them and you may have misinterpreted what they were saying, but break contact until another time.

A great site for explaining twin flames, spirit guides, and all sorts of things is www.crystalinks.com . It has a great alphabetical index of a bunch of stuff regarding spirit worlds and many other things that have nothing to do with it.

If anyone would like to see examples of the automatic writing, art, and other contacts I've made with spirits, then my dream journal can be found here... http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=54646

i believe that spirits use dreams to visit us at times

Lol, that was weird. I was just looking up a bible verse to see if I could help someone find the meaning to a number in their dream, and I turn around to see that my rosary case was open. Which is really weird, because I never leave it open - especially if the rosary is in there.

Hm, I haven't prayed in a little while either. I kept telling myself that I would.

Maybe this is a little sign for me from the Holy Spirit. =D

My belief on spirits:

(NOT FOR THE RELIGOUS TO READ!!)

I believe that when we die, our spirits of our body get let into the physical plane, and we walk around and see people as if we are alive. Then, we get transfered up to the higher levels of the planes until we get to the highest plane, and then we get reincarnated into another body.

But, some spirits dont get put into the higher planes, and are left here on earth.

That is just my theory, of course i cant confirm it, but its a good idea i guess.