Supernatural?

[Tyler]

Astral Projection, Psychokinesis, Telepathy, Precognition, all of these abilities are referred to as "Supernatural". But are they really? Or are they perfectly natural skills or abilities that we have from birth that we forget as we get older because we do not practice using them or because of the society that we live? Discuss.

[Ralael]

Seeing as we only use something like 10% of our brain's capacity, I personally believe that all of the above are completely possible. What's debatable is the plausibility. I already have traces of telepathy and precognition. So do others that I know. People bend spoons with their minds. I've flipped over a Tarot card with my awareness before (it was accidental, any such attempts since have not been fruitful). I certainly believe that we have all sorts of untapped natural abilities within our DNA. I also think it's only a matter of time (though maybe a very long time) before such abilities are commonplace. Our brains however are really dampened. Our brain's processing capability is directly proportional to the amount of oxygen reaching the brain. That's why you can get a "high" from breathing 100% oxygen. In ancient times people used to trepan their skulls to allow the Gods to enter- aka, allow oxygen to reach the surface of the brain directly, thus accelerating the processing power- and its said that these people had telekinetic abilities and such. Chances are though that most people don't want holes in their head, and our lungs can only take in so much oxygen, even if it is 100% pure. So while I'm very sure that our imagination is the only limit to our abilities, we have to overcome our clumsy physicality and neurons before we can really explore the possibilties.

[Balestar]

Actually it's only 10% of our brains which can process information in the first place, the other 90% is connective tissue and stuff which just wouldn't be used, so although you could say we use 10% of our brains we're using 100% of what we actually have. If I can be bothered to edit and add in a reference I will. Well that was quick.. http://www.time-etc.com/2007/06/ten-...out-brain.html Google. brain myths. first result. Double edit: list of other pages stating this fact (I think I originally read it in a psychology textbook) http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...hs+10%25&meta=

[Hukif]

Well, seeing how those have no scientific link to being a natural process, I suppose its correct to call them "supernatural"

[Tyler]

no scientific link that they have found yet.

[DeathCell]

The Earth Is Flat! We Are The Center Of The Universe!!!! And to think the majority of the population thought that was right...

[Hukif]

no scientific link that they have found yet. Oh indeed, tough as long as they don't find it, "supernatural" will be correct, or so I think lol

[Tyler]

The Earth Is Flat! We Are The Center Of The Universe!!!! And to think the majority of the population thought that was right... Exactly. Hell, astral projection has practically been proven through experiments, and some experiments have been done with telepathy also...with interesting results.

[ShadowmanX]

The Earth Is Flat! We Are The Center Of The Universe!!!! And to think the majority of the population thought that was right... I love you guy. Your the first one here who thinks exactly the same way as me. Everyone who reads this: Spread this message everywhere in Beyond Dreaming where people say that something is completly impossible I mean a lot of people say something is impossible, but how do they know? Are they god? Have they created the universe to know how exactly all the stuff works? I don't think so

[juroara]

some people would call astral projection 'supernatural' what do astral projectors call it? they call it natural. in fact, its so natural you do it every night. astral projectors believe that reality is layered. on the bottom layer you have the material. then you have the etheric closely next to it, and then you have the astral. all three are still sub levels of the 'physical' reality. so the astral isn't even considered a spiritual reality, its still physical. when you see ghosts, they are residing in the etheric, which is basically real time reality, but its more like an in between zone between material and astral. a taunting limbo, because you can see real time events and people and not interact with it. when people OBE *which is accidental*, they tend to fall into the etheric, and many claim they can testify real time events that have happened the astral is the dream like world, outside of real time. where you only interact with other beings in astral bodies/dream bodies. you have no idea whats going on right now on earth. so it is like a whole different world. everything is 'natural' in this point of view. even levitating objects is natural. nothing breaks the laws of physics. rather, there are laws in the other onion layers that seem to be above the laws of physics. or rather, these laws from the other layers uphold the laws of physics, therefore can rewrite them. but those laws being above he material laws, is a natural thing in this layered view of reality. since they do view it as 'natural', many do believe science CAN one day prove reality is layered, and our consciousness is on a different level than our body. time will tell

[Tyler]

some people would call astral projection 'supernatural' what do astral projectors call it? they call it natural. in fact, its so natural you do it every night. astral projectors believe that reality is layered. on the bottom layer you have the material. then you have the etheric closely next to it, and then you have the astral. all three are still sub levels of the 'physical' reality. so the astral isn't even considered a spiritual reality, its still physical. when you see ghosts, they are residing in the etheric, which is basically real time reality, but its more like an in between zone between material and astral. a taunting limbo, because you can see real time events and people and not interact with it. when people OBE *which is accidental*, they tend to fall into the etheric, and many claim they can testify real time events that have happened the astral is the dream like world, outside of real time. where you only interact with other beings in astral bodies/dream bodies. you have no idea whats going on right now on earth. so it is like a whole different world. everything is 'natural' in this point of view. even levitating objects is natural. nothing breaks the laws of physics. rather, there are laws in the other onion layers that seem to be above the laws of physics. or rather, these laws from the other layers uphold the laws of physics, therefore can rewrite them. but those laws being above he material laws, is a natural thing in this layered view of reality. since they do view it as 'natural', many do believe science CAN one day prove reality is layered, and our consciousness is on a different level than our body. time will tell You explained it beautifully.

[Songbird]

Actually it's only 10% of our brains which can process information in the first place, the other 90% is connective tissue and stuff which just wouldn't be used, so although you could say we use 10% of our brains we're using 100% of what we actually have. I heard that we only use 10% of our MEMORY. I could be wrong, but I was corrected on that before.

[ChaybaChayba]

IMO, they are natural skills blocked by the rational mind that keeps on chatting on and on inside your head. Silence your mind, and your natural abilities will come back. Silencing the inner voice is one of the hardest things, if not the hardest thing, you will ever try to achieve in your life, but it is definately worth it. It's your ego, your self-importance, your self-pity that is the cause of the chattering... shatter the mirror of self-reflection and some really cool stuff will happen.. theres no point in believing, this is something you have to see with your own eyes.

[slash112]

i did hear a while ago that u have phsycic abilities when u are young and if u practice them and meditate starting when you are young you can be phsycic forever.

[Songbird]

yeah, man. I used to be super skeptical of auras, but then I heard about that and asked my younger sister about my color. And she told me, and it matched up with other peoples' perceptions. So I'm all in now.

[DeathCell]

i did hear a while ago that u have phsycic abilities when u are young and if u practice them and meditate starting when you are young you can be phsycic forever. I don't believe theirs ever a point you can't start.. Yeah younger the better obviously... but if you can change the way you think you can change the way you affect things.

[bacterix]

The existence of 'supernatural' events is questionable. First of all, anything that occurs in this world is natural because it's within the boundaries of our physical laws. People can be convinced about 'supernatural' occurences all they want, but since none of it is reasonable or logical they will never be able to provide an explanation. When science cannot provide an answer it is because our scientific understanding is not complete. The generally accepted scientific theories in conflic with 'supernatural' phenomena have been proven and can hardly be rejected. Dreams are physical too; a composite of the electrical impulses inside our neural networks, that are based on every day experiences and our past memories. It is very likely for some events to be 'predicted' by our dreams, however technically these visions have no correlation to what is actually going to happen. It seems many people are striving to prove some 'supernatural' powers that dreams posses, rather than searching for the actual truth. Because dreams appear to be so abstract, they can easily be misinterpreted. Again, human intuition about upcoming events has a realistic basis, 'supernatural' fortune telling does not. People cannot bend spoons with their minds, but many are clever enough to convince themselves otherwise. To understand our own limits and abilities, and to have the courage to accept what we find to be true is the least we as a people should do.

[Robot_Butler]

Could you imagine what a nightmare it would be if all little kids had access to telepathy and psychokinesis? Preschool teacher would become the most dangerous job on the planet. Why would you assume that we have these abilities when we are young, but lose them as we age?

[Balestar]

I had a wierd moment yesterday! I had a REALLY bad feeling about my bike all of a sudden as I was riding it home from college.. literally I was considering going home a different way from what I would normally do once I got down the stretch of road I was on... unfortunately right near the bottom my steering went completely wierd - almost uncontrollable... so I had to get off and push it the rest of the way (I'd guess just over a mile). My tyre managed to get a puncture on the end of the road (which was straight) right before the roundabout.. But yeah.. I really had a feeling about something happening.. wierd.

[Songbird]

Why would you assume that we have these abilities when we are young, but lose them as we age? Well because little kids have them, and adults don't. I know that sounds stupid, but talk to a kid and ask them what your color is. Some kids wont be able to see it, but the ones that do will give you the same color every time.

[♥Mark]

Astral Projection, Psychokinesis, Telepathy, Precognition, all of these abilities are referred to as "Supernatural". But are they really? Or are they perfectly natural skills or abilities that we have from birth that we forget as we get older because we do not practice using them or because of the society that we live? Discuss. There can be no such thing as the "supernatural". If such abilities and powers exist, they are simply another part of nature. The term "supernatural" inherently describes something that doesn't exist.

[Robot_Butler]

Well because little kids have them, and adults don't. I know that sounds stupid, but talk to a kid and ask them what your color is. Some kids wont be able to see it, but the ones that do will give you the same color every time. I've never seen any evidence for this, and I talk with a lot of kids. What ages are you referring to?

[Tyler]

They are going on the theory that everybody is born with these abilities, making them not supernatural but perfectly natural. But, as we grow up, because of the society we live in, these abilities are not practiced, they are suppressed, and forgotten.

[ShadowmanX]

I'd say the abilities don't get lost you just lose the abllity to use them, because of various factors. Those would be, in my opinion: The society which tells you to believe in what they believe -> causes mental block The Lifestyle of most people, poisoning your body with fastfood and what not (don't think I'm one of these bio-fanatics I also eat fastfood) -> causes also mental and spiritual harm which leads to less access too energy from the universe (anyone who doesn't understand -> I talk about Chi[or Ki, or Psi whatever you like]) No practice in any form that would help achieving psychic goals -> leads to a subconscious that has no idea how it should do what you want it to do Thats how I see things

[Sylph]

The existence of 'supernatural' events is questionable. First of all, anything that occurs in this world is natural because it's within the boundaries of our physical laws. People can be convinced about 'supernatural' occurences all they want, but since none of it is reasonable or logical they will never be able to provide an explanation. The existence of a great deal of things - even those called scientific - is questionable until somebody finds a way to prove them beyond doubt. "Supernatural" is just a nasty word that most of the time gets in the way of people considering the subject the same way they would consider anything else. It probably doesn't help that it's also the word a lot of people use to make it sound grand, wether they can actually use such abilities or just like to make others believe they can. As to what can be considered "reasonable and logical", that's kind of relative. Take the history of astronomy, for example. How many "absurd" concepts emerged over the centuries that eventually were proven correct, and some of them are still more than weird enough for an educated person to grasp. The way I see it, in a universe where - as far as it as been logically proven - everything is ultimatelly made up of energy, there should certainly be room for enough of "supernatural" stuff to happen. Of course, you can also resort to the shrink type of explanation and say that such people just suffer from such an such condition, in which the "supernatural" is their way of getting attention - if they're not actually hallucinating, that is. Still, I have yet to find a "reasonable and logical" explanation for seeing 3 people all simultaneously hallucinating about the same thing. I guess they all suffered from the same mental problems, since all had exactly the same backgrounds and personalities... To understand our own limits and abilities, and to have the courage to accept what we find to be true is the least we as a people should do. I have nothing against being an average Jane. If I want to show off, I can do it in a lot of different "reasonable" ways. It bugs me, though, that people will so quickly dismiss a concept that has been with humanity forever. Smoke and fire, and all that...