Thread: "The people in your dreams are only products of your imagination"

Why can't we just keep our beliefs to ourselves and NOT argue about them? I believe dreams are simply hallucinations during sleep, as is the common conception. And so are DC's.

Liar. Only Cynthia Gonzalez speaks the truth.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Liar. Only Cynthia Gonzalez speaks the truth.

Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedy Gonzalez!!!!!

Has anyone other than Arne ever met Cynthia Gonzalez in a LD?

Originally Posted by The Scrybe

Has anyone other than Arne ever met Cynthia Gonzalez in a LD?

I doubt it. Ask Cynthia. If you can't, you're a liar.

And is there only one Cynthia Gonzalez in dreamland?

Yes. You can't fool me. Because I KNOW.
Really.

Originally Posted by The Scrybe

Has anyone other than Arne ever met Cynthia Gonzalez in a LD?

I told you how to do it. I also told you that one member here has already carried out the task and that another one has made a good start on it.

Amd Timothy, do you ever do anything here besides troll? For example, do you ever discuss your experiences in lucid dreaming?

I'll actually back that. Timothy (and anyone else, for that matter), either contribute to the thread (seriously) or just read it quietly.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I have many "zombie" lucid dreams too, except that they're trying to touch me instead of eat me.

You can show us where they try to touch you by pointing to the banana doll.

Honestly, I'd have though your dream gremlins would have better things to do.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I'll actually back that. Timothy (and anyone else, for that matter), either contribute to the thread (seriously) or just read it quietly.

Seriously? Maybe arne shouldn't be able to use Dreamviews to recruit.

Go ahead and ban me if you can't take a joke.
At least I'm not being serious...

Originally Posted by moonshine

Seriously? Maybe arne shouldn't be able to use Dreamviews to recruit.

Srsly. I'm very well aware of arne's ulterior motive of recruiting people, but if there is an actual debate that can come of this thread, wherein people actually express their beliefs on the subject (because, believe it or not, there are people here who do agree with him), then he's more than welcome to do so - until any future adverse behavior (as there has been in the past) gets him banned.

At the same time, we expect everyone else who wants to participate in the discussion to do so without trolling.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Go ahead and ban me if you can't take a joke.
At least I'm not being serious...

Trolling, often, isn't "being serious." But, let me just quote the rules so you can understand, more, where I'm coming from:

Originally Posted by icedawg

• When replying to someone in order to express your differing opinion, show respect and tolerance for that user; if you disagree with him or her, state why. Do not simply denounce the poster and ridicule his or her ideas. Keep in mind he or she likely believes with the same passion as you.
• Do not jump right in the middle of threads when you have absolutely nothing to contribute. Simply denouncing one's idea and adding nothing more accomplishes nothing.
• Do yourself a favour and STAY OUT of threads where you know you will not be able to control yourself: for example, if you believe very strongly in God, then for crying out loud stay out of a thread that says "Atheists only." Also, creators of threads should be able to limit a discussion to a particular audience (which should be stated in the title); respect that.

If it's too much to ask for members to contribute with some sort of substance, rather than what basically amounts to "OMGZ UR SOO STOOPID! LULZ!" then they don't need to post - least of all in the respective thread.

All right all right.
Sorry.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Srsly. I'm very well aware of arne's ulterior motive of recruiting people, but if there is an actual debate that can come of this thread, wherein people actually express their beliefs on the subject (because, believe it or not, there are people here who do agree with him), then he's more than welcome to do so - until any future adverse behavior (as there has been in the past) gets him banned.

At the same time, we expect everyone else who wants to participate in the discussion to do so without trolling.



Trolling, often, isn't "being serious." But, let me just quote the rules so you can understand, more, where I'm coming from:
[/LIST]If it's too much to ask for members to contribute with some sort of substance, rather than what basically amounts to "OMGZ UR SOO STOOPID! LULZ!" then they don't need to post - least of all in the respective thread.

I take your point. Although I have to say, Arne doesn't seem particularly open to the possibility that he's wrong or misguided.

Its very similar to the religious issue of "respecting" peoples "faith", although the "respect" seems to be de-facto and expected rather than earned in any way. I note that Arne has not yet attempted to provide any real evidence to support his vague assertions. That, to me, would be a way to earn some respect. In point of fact Arne has "rebuked" some fairly simple observations with
fairly outlandish (if convenient from his perspective) claims. Again, does this entitle Arne to respect?


Furthermore, what if some of us believe that seeking to encourage false belief in people who may be too succeptible to such encouragement due to mental health issues, youth or new-ages leanings. And what if humour (rather than ridicule) is a valid means of demonstrating the same?

Not all "faith" is benign nor healthy.

In any event, Arne can earn some respect if he clearly lays out his evidence and/or beliefs for all to see.
Until he does, there is arguably a strong possibility that Arne may well be trolling us all.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

I told you how to do it.

Not me you didn't.
Why don't you lay out the facts for everyone to see on this thread.
It seems to me that your are working quite hard to generate an aura of mystique about yourself. Very Cultish behaviour in other words.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Not all Atheists are like that, but it's the truth.

In my experience it isn't the case. In my experience most of atheists I know are like most of the Christians I know, they rarely talk about religion. Richard Dawkins and his followers give us a bad name...

Originally Posted by moonshine

Its not a case of knowing anything for "certain".
Its a case of determining the balance of probability based on evidence.

For example, the evidence "for" evolution is overwhelming.
The evidence "for" an Abrahamic style GOD is, shall we say limited.

In case you haven't guessed it, I'm with Richard Dawkins.

Off topic though. Sorry.

Yes. Dream characters are figments of our imaginations.

You do realize that Richard Dawkins uses the same logical fallacies that he attacks Christians of using?


For those of you that say you can't disprove God so you should be agnostic etc, etc.... We can't disprove any concept without total knowledge. I can't disprove God, mermaids, the flying spaghetti monster (I am not trying to insult anyone that believes in God, I am sorry in advance) but I see no evidence for them so I don't believe in them.

Originally Posted by moonshine

In any event, Arne can earn some respect if he clearly lays out his evidence and/or beliefs for all to see.
Until he does, there is arguably a strong possibility that Arne may well be trolling us all.

Agreed. I'd like the facts. Not this whole "I've given you a task to start off with" bs.

Just do the task and you'll learn the facts. That's all there is to it. You'll notice that the two people who have done the task aren't carping at me or accusing me of anything. Only the people who haven't been able are doing that. If you can't do the task, then why are you even posting in a form that's devoted to lucid dreaming, let alone criticizing the person who gave you the task?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Just do the task and you'll learn the facts. That's all there is to it. You'll notice that the two people who have done the task aren't carping at me or accusing me of anything. Only the people who haven't been able are doing that. If you can't do the task, then why are you even posting in a form that's devoted to lucid dreaming, let alone criticizing the person who gave you the task?

I'd like to respectfully ask what is this task and where can I find the instructions? I'm all for exploring the sublime weirdness that fills dreams. Thank you.

Originally Posted by seeker28

I'd like to respectfully ask what is this task and where can I find the instructions? I'm all for exploring the sublime weirdness that fills dreams. Thank you.

The task is to call out as loudly as you can in an LD, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?"

Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.

And PM the results to me.

That's all there is to it.

dont do it i lost lucidity!!

Okay, so assuming I do this 'task', and I PM you the result... how do I know you're not just bluffing and going 'Yeah, that's right! You got the right answer' (no matter what I say)
Do we get to speak to others and see their exact answers as well, to compare?

Originally Posted by Placebo

Do we get to speak to others and see their exact answers as well, to compare?

Well... I successfully completed the task after substantial effort memorising and rehearsing and waiting to get lucid to do it. I have to say I didn't get much out of it and no I didn't find out what result others got. As for my personal result... it couldn't have been more boring lol

Good luck to anyone with plenty of spare lucid time who wants to partake! I'm moving on to my next goal which is to alter my environment completely by spinning