Thread: The Axena

Originally Posted by insomniacjezz

To the OP, or anyone else who has these perceptions as well: do you actually SEE these dots/energies? Or would it be more accurate to say that some part of your mind or self somehow simply perceives their existence, but vision is just the simplest way of explaining HOW you perceive them?

Sorry if that was a bit confusing...when dealing with feelings and perceptions, it seems to be very difficult to articulate one's self in a clear manner.

I understand your question... I actually see the pin pricks of light. They are there as this computer screen is in front of me. But I have to unfocus my eyes to see them and it must be daylight, I have never seen them in the dim house light or night time. It is not a vision or perception... they are actually there, but they are not affected in their rythym by me blowing air into them or moving my hand quickly through them. They have their own laws of motion. That is why I call them light molecules because air can not move light. One experiment I do is getting the energy in my stomach moving really fast (creating the feeling of butterflies ) and holding my hand up to their movement and trying to increase thier speed and it works! Could not believe it... So therefore I also concluded that it was energy. E=mc2 ...... this is not a vision it is really there in this reality. It has always baffled me.

Originally Posted by neika

I understand your question... I actually see the pin pricks of light. They are there as this computer screen is in front of me. But I have to unfocus my eyes to see them and it must be daylight, I have never seen them in the dim house light or night time. It is not a vision or perception... they are actually there, but they are not affected in their rythym by me blowing air into them or moving my hand quickly through them. They have their own laws of motion. That is why I call them light molecules because air can not move light. One experiment I do is getting the energy in my stomach moving really fast (creating the feeling of butterflies ) and holding my hand up to their movement and trying to increase thier speed and it works! Could not believe it... So therefore I also concluded that it was energy. E=mc2 ...... this is not a vision it is really there in this reality. It has always baffled me.

They are particles on or in the eye fluid.
Which is why you have to change the focus of your eyes, and have a reasonably bright clear scene to make them out.
I have seen them since i was a kid too, everybody has.
Of course the wind wont change them, they are floating in fluid on/in your eye.

I wondered what it was too and asked an optician before, Easiest way to find out is to ask a trained expert.

Here's an explanation:CLICK ME FOR UNDERSTANDING

Nothing supernatural going on here.
Why do they change when you get butterflies in your stomach?
Hmm, wouldnt be able to answer that, maybe you are changing your heartbeat and increasing the pressure in your body. Perhaps its a version of the ideomotor response (same thing that makes pendulums move... the tiny movements in the body)

but, they are an explainable, proven phenomena which everyone on the planet experiences.

Yes, the "energy/molecules" are incredibly, incredibly small. Like very super-tiny dots that just happen to be everywhere.

And it good to know that other people have been experiencing the same thing I have.

That is also a philosophy of mine -- science cannot, and will not, be able to explain everything that occurs inside of the human body. Even though scientists break everything down into a series of chemicals and compounds, I don't believe that it can account for everything. Same goes for things outside of the human body too, things found in nature. . . At least, that's what I believe. Other people may agree and disagree.

It's odd, however. Because I don't have to unfocus my eyes to see anything. They're just there. Same goes for the movement. I do not need to move my eye in order to see them move. Lest all the time, I would be moving my eyes in weird patterns. XD They're just there.

Yes same here I know what floaters are and have experienced those in my life... but these are nothing even close to that. When I see these I do not have to move my eyes to see these move... When I see these there are thousands of them and it is when I look at the air within a couple of feet of me. When I say I unfocus my eyes to see them I mean that I am looking at the air in front of me... not focusing on the long range vision. They exist in the air not in my eye and they each move in their own patterns in all different directions no color to them...just light...Not at a distance where you see floaters, nothing like a floater. There are thousands of them... They are about the size of this dot . Also the pin pricks of light never touch eachother they each have their own space in which they move swiftly kind of bouncing motion...each of them move in a range of a 2 inch space... can cross into each others space but never colliding with other pin pricks of light. I have been to the eye doctor and they also told me they were not floaters but not sure what it was, when I was young and older... I have 20/20 vision and do not use glasses or contacts.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

They are particles on or in the eye fluid.
Which is why you have to change the focus of your eyes, and have a reasonably bright clear scene to make them out.
I have seen them since i was a kid too, everybody has.
Of course the wind wont change them, they are floating in fluid on/in your eye.

I wondered what it was too and asked an optician before, Easiest way to find out is to ask a trained expert.

Here's an explanation:CLICK ME FOR UNDERSTANDING

Nothing supernatural going on here.
Why do they change when you get butterflies in your stomach?
Hmm, wouldnt be able to answer that, maybe you are changing your heartbeat and increasing the pressure in your body. Perhaps its a version of the ideomotor response (same thing that makes pendulums move... the tiny movements in the body)

but, they are an explainable, proven phenomena which everyone on the planet experiences.

Do you see them as I have described?

Yes i see both standard floaters and the more elaborate moving ones too.
In fact it always worried me that there was some kind of bactieria on my eyeball!!

They too do not occur at the same focus as the other floaters. But I'm not as inclined to give them a supernatural explanation as you are. I've spoken to a lot of people about them and it seems quite a common thing.

I have asked people my whole life and none of the people I know see these things...except the two people I just discovered and they described them to a T... I wouldn't say they are supernatural I was just amazed that some people in the world see what I see....that is why I joined this blog... No explanation to them at all I just thought it might be energy / light... they are very well lit. But I do believe other things about our DNA, thats a whole other subject. Are your eyes blue or green? Just wondering... brown? Where are you from. I am in the middle of the United States.

Originally Posted by Creation X

I don't believe Adnai is a troll.
for more than one reason.
The human brain has more potential than a lot of people around the world (including dreamviews) don't like to grasp on to.
I believe the mind is capable of more than anything anyone could imagine, but it's hard to unlock. "The Axena" seems to be a group of people who have managed to unlock it, more or less as much as I have. I too can control the wind, it's why I decided to post here. The "energy" that you see has been viewed upon me and an old friend from a while back. She and I used to always point out that we could see them, with a bit of concentration. They had (and still have) the same characteristics as you mentioned.
I'd like to talk to you more, Adnai, about these abilities.
if you have msn, aim, or yahoo messanger than I would be more than happy to give you my information via PM if you'd like to talk also.
Just PM me if you want to talk.

-Creation X

the brain and the mind dont have the power or potential to do shit! they are nothing more than tools for YOU to use.....YOU and ONLY YOU have true power and potential....who are you? hmmm... NOTHING.....absolut nothing!!! but.... with the potential to create with you own will and thougts! this is my personal truth!!! i have tryed to find other explanations, but i always come back to this concusion!! ( ALL what you experience is what you create with your own thinking, and by that i mean ALL!!) ps.. i came to this conclution with help from Andreas buttler! he wrote the book Spiritologie!!! great book

Originally Posted by charlieboy24

the brain and the mind dont have the power or potential to do shit! they are nothing more than tools for YOU to use.....YOU and ONLY YOU have true power and potential....who are you? hmmm... NOTHING.....absolut nothing!!! but.... with the potential to create with you own will and thougts! this is my personal truth!!! i have tryed to find other explanations, but i always come back to this concusion!! ( ALL what you experience is what you create with your own thinking, and by that i mean ALL!!) ps.. i came to this conclution with help from Andreas buttler! he wrote the book Spiritologie!!! great book

Jesus....existentialist much?

Originally Posted by charlieboy24

the brain and the mind dont have the power or potential to do shit! they are nothing more than tools for YOU to use.....YOU and ONLY YOU have true power and potential....who are you? hmmm... NOTHING.....absolut nothing!!! but.... with the potential to create with you own will and thougts! this is my personal truth!!! i have tryed to find other explanations, but i always come back to this concusion!! ( ALL what you experience is what you create with your own thinking, and by that i mean ALL!!) ps.. i came to this conclution with help from Andreas buttler! he wrote the book Spiritologie!!! great book

you are contradicting yourself pretty badly, sorry dont follow your point

Originally Posted by neika

you are contradicting yourself pretty badly, sorry dont follow your point

hey.. im from denmark, maby i dident expres myself in he corect manner? but what is it that u dont get/follow?

Originally Posted by insomniacjezz

Jesus....existentialist much?

dont know what u mean? please explain?

Call me crazy but I see the same things too, on my hand, my shirt, the computer screen, everwhere! I just never thought to mention or even read up on this, idk hopefully it's not a bad sign haha.

It is called Visual Snow. Do a quick google search on it to find out all the information you need. This is a very well understood condition with nothing paranormal about it. Why is everyone making it more complicated than it is?

If it is bad enough to get your attention, GO SEE A DOCTOR. It could just be HPPD from drug abuse, but there is a chance it could be a serious problem with your optical nerve.

EDIT: I remembered there being another thread about this a while back, here's a link:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46837

Thankyou RobotButler.
Yes that other thread covers it perfectly.

A completely explained, common and understood condition.
I was suprised people were being so odd about it and making such a fuss.

I'm all for discussion of genuine paranormal, unexplained phenomena, but trying to pass of something common and explained as paranormal is just silly.

All it does is make the whole area of paranormal research look like its full of gullable halfwits who will accept anything as supernatural. Even the already explained. Just because you don't understand something, dosnt make it magical. Thats a caveman way of thinking.

I'm sure there are some events and happenings which are beyond science and will one day open new boundarys (and eventually be encompased by science)... but for those things to be studied seriously and understood, people interested in the supernatural need to stop being such a bunch of looneys wanting to accept everything as magical. We have to accept that some things are just people deluding themselves, hoaxes, tricks, illusions, hallucinations, ego-driven-beliefs, lack of education causing a misjudgment on a known phenomena, etc. etc. etc.

Unless you can be critical about the supernatural, you are not taking it seriously. To get to the real truth in any subject, you need to be willing to pull out all the garbage and lies, and get to the few genuine (if any) examples of phenomena.

For example
Maybe 99.9% of ghost sightings are fake, but if 0.1% is genuine... that is the most exciting thing ever! BUT that dosnt mean you have to take the fake sightings seriously... you thrown them out! That's genuine open mindedness. You have to be able to criticise the subject you study. That's what being critical minded is, that's being logical, that's the scientific way of thinking. You can still believe in ghosts and be critical of the fakes and the delusions. Personally i don't, there isnt enough evidence. But that's irrelevant. The point is that gullably accepting anything and everything as supernatural is stupid and makes the whole subject look like its full of idiots.


and just to keep robotbutlers original point fresh,
here is the other forum discussing this phenomena:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46837

I see this "visual snow" too, and IMO, it means your third eye is activated, your minds eye.

Why? Because I can consciously control this amount of visual snow through meditation, up to the point everything turns white with my eyes wide open. I can also make them dissapear and completely clear up my vision, whenever I want. I only started seeing this snow after my third eye was forcefully activated through shrooms (which was an amazing experience on itself). It's obviously not dust, because you can't turn dust on and off right?

Does this visual snow represent energy or ghosts or whatever? I dont know, I don't think so. But as far as I can tell, it doesn't represent anything but the saturation of the minds eye.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I only started seeing this snow after my third eye was forcefully activated through shrooms (which was an amazing experience on itself).

That seems to fit with the accepted view that this is a major symptom of hallucinogen persisting perception disorder. I guess the broader question is "What is HPPD? We still don't really know. Is it damage to your brain? Or an opening of your mind? Are you seeing something new, and therefore a more complete view of your surroundings? Or is your vision damaged, and you are therefore seeing a more incomplete version of your surroundings?

Had a coughing fit today, and when I was done, I was seeing those little floaty dots everywhere. WHen I was a kid, I thought I might be seeing molecules or something, but even as a kid I was able to figure out it was just something on the surface of my eye.

When it looks like they are moving, you have to move your eyes to follow them. But it's that very movement of your eye that causes them to move. Just try reversing the direction. They move with your eyes.

I can't believe this thread had grown to three pages...

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

That seems to fit with the accepted view that this is a major symptom of hallucinogen persisting perception disorder. I guess the broader question is "What is HPPD? We still don't really know. Is it damage to your brain? Or an opening of your mind? Are you seeing something new, and therefore a more complete view of your surroundings? Or is your vision damaged, and you are therefore seeing a more incomplete version of your surroundings?

How can my vision be damaged if I can turn it on and off? On top of that, you assume everyone who sees those dots has taken shrooms. Sorry but your analytical skills suck big time. It's like you completely ignore the given facts in order to push your own theory through...

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

How can my vision be damaged if I can turn it on and off? You only seem to read and quote what fits your own theories...

You said you could turn it on and off when meditating.

I can do many things in sleep paralysis too.

I meditate 24/7... right now I'm in meditation, I always try to keep aware of my breath. It's not easy, but I'm getting there.

Of course you can turn it on and off. If you focus on it, you will notice it. If you focus on something else, you won't see it.

It is a lot like tinnitus. If I listen for that high pitched screeching, I notice it right away. It sounds so loud, I wonder how I ever forget it is there. As soon as I'm talking with someone or listening to music, it disappears because I am focused on something else.

My same question would apply to tinnitus. Is it more likely that my hearing is damaged? Or more likely that I have opened a gateway into some new frequency of sound waves from the cosmos?

I didn't say everyone who sees visual snow has done mushrooms. I'm just pointing out that it is a fairly common side effect of them. You made the cause and effect link yourself, so don't blame me.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

My same question would apply to tinnitus. Is it more likely that my hearing is damaged? Or more likely that I have opened a gateway into some new frequency of sound waves from the cosmos?

Life is a dream, and in dreaming, everything requires your attention to exist.

That's my theory on it, Cusp Once you experience something you can notice it more in the future. Whether it is from mushrooms, meditation, or dreaming, once you notice something new it is very hard to 'un-see' it.