Dream Analysis Wanted

[Mzzkc]

Okay, so normally it's my policy to stay out of BD since all the arguing that happens here is ten times more senseless than any thread in SB. That being said, I have found myself at a crossroads. Now, I'll try to keep this post as brief as possible since the reading material I will be presenting is somewhat long. No promises, though. I had a dream recently in which several things occurred that I cannot explain. If not for these events I would have simply brushed it off as a pretty cool dream. The dream in question. Done reading? If you didn't, I assure you, it is a good read. Either way, my questions are the same. Before I go into them, however, I would like to point out that, while I am open to the idea of shared dreaming and other related BD material, I am a skeptic at heart. As such I am welcoming, and hoping for, a healthy debate. That means anything goes except personal attacks. As soon as you attack a person's integrity, no matter how weak or convoluted their argument, you've lost, in my opinion. Feel free to attack an idea as ruthlessly as you'd like, though. Onto. . . The main questions: Why was I unable to simply ignore this entity (DC or not) away? Why did the dream suddenly re-stabilize all by itself as I was waking up? Why did my TK not work at all? Where the hell did that girl come from? Who or what is "Ice" (DC, Person, or Other). These are the big things I haven't been able to explain and put out of my mind. Because of this, I can't help but give some weight to what the character said at the end, silly as it all sounds. So, any ideas? I'm willing to provide any additional information you need. Just ask for it. Thanks in advance.

[The Cusp]

Why was I unable to simply ignore this entity (DC or not) away? While ignoring things into oblivion may sound simple, in actuality it's very difficult to completely ignore something. It's also hard to judge the ways you maintain a connection to that target. When I do it, I can almost feel it happening, but it's hard to put into words. Only you can tell how effectively you ignored it. If you have experience ignoring things, and it didn't work, then that is very suspicious. Why did the dream suddenly re-stabilize all by itself as I was waking up? That's also an oddity. Not something I've ever heard of happening before. I couldn't find anything in the dream that you or that Ice guy did to make that happen. Did it stabilize all at once? Or were there certain things you noticed first before everything became stable? Why did my TK not work at all? Nothing remarkable about that. Control randomly fails, and anyone why says otherwise is lying. Your opponent's ability to brush off your attacks is indicative of someone who's mastered the first rule of dreaming. Everything requires your attention to exist. Where the hell did that girl come from? She was pretty random. Without knowing the peculiarities or your personal archetypes, I just can't see any archetypal link that would account for her presence. Who or what is "Ice" (DC, Person, or Other). Hard to say for sure from only one dream, but that "DC" certainly tripped enough alarms for me to suspect a fellow dreamer. It also fits my experiences, where those types of "attacks" seem to be geared towards teaching.

[Mzzkc]

While ignoring things into oblivion may sound simple, in actuality it's very difficult to completely ignore something. It's also hard to judge the ways you maintain a connection to that target. When I do it, I can almost feel it happening, but it's hard to put into words. Only you can tell how effectively you ignored it. If you have experience ignoring things, and it didn't work, then that is very suspicious. I completely turned away from it, since it was only a dim flicker of a figure, barely corporeal. I then turned my focus onto whatever I turned toward, putting whatever the figure was out of my mind. The first time I focused on a mailbox, then a garage, then a tree. Unfortunately, each time it left my vision, it literally teleported directly into the center of my line of sight. Also, I don't have too many details about what it looked like at first since I was doing a pretty good job of not paying any attention to it. It was white and hairy, and vaguely resembled a yeti. That's all I can accurately tell you. That's also an oddity. Not something I've ever heard of happening before. I couldn't find anything in the dream that you or that Ice guy did to make that happen. Did it stabilize all at once? Or were there certain things you noticed first before everything became stable? Yeah, this is the weirdest one. Everything was fading pretty fast and I felt myself waking up. I thought for sure I was past the point of no return. So, I didn't bother to try to stay in the dream. Then, just as suddenly as my reflex kicked in, everything snapped back into focus, more vivid than before. Nothing remarkable about that. Control randomly fails, and anyone why says otherwise is lying. Your opponent's ability to brush off your attacks is indicative of someone who's mastered the first rule of dreaming. Everything requires your attention to exist. My TK is pretty awesome, though. I don't understand how I'm able to easily toss around other DCs, T-Rex, Raptors, Cars, and Cruise Ships, but not this guy. She was pretty random. Without knowing the peculiarities or your personal archetypes, I just can't see any archetypal link that would account for her presence. She might have come from my anime archetypes, since guys like that always tend to have some kind of posse in animes. Just an idea. Hard to say for sure from only one dream, but that "DC" certainly tripped enough alarms for me to suspect a fellow dreamer. It also fits my experiences, where those types of "attacks" seem to be geared towards teaching. It definitely felt like he was there to teach me. Although, he didn't really do anything except defend after the initial attack that nearly booted me from the dream. But if it is a person, that still leaves the question: Why me? What's so special about me that this guy goes out of his way to enter my dreams, spar with me, and then say some pretty cryptic stuff that could be taken a multitude of ways? Also, what does he have to gain from this? I don't know. However, my main priority right now is searching for him. Maybe a second encounter will shed more light.

[The Cusp]

My TK is pretty awesome, though. I don't understand how I'm able to easily toss around other DCs, T-Rex, Raptors, Cars, and Cruise Ships, but not this guy. The only way you can influence another dreamer is by capturing directing their attention. I don't doubt your skill with telekenesis, but you have to admit the invisible force isn't very flashy. That's why I hated the last season of heroes. Sylar's invisible force and Parkman squinty mental face just didn't grab my attention and wow me. But that's not to say you telekinetic powers won't be of any use to you. In the Wheel of Time books, one of the characters hated the stuck up bitchy magic users, and his greatest desire was be immune to their powers affecting him. Anyways, he ends up with a magical item that does just that. So those witchy wenches try their magic on him and it has no effect, but they're sneaky like lawyers. Moral of the story is they figured out they couldn't affect him directly, but they could still use their powers to pick stuff up and throw it at the guy. Picking up a bus telekinetically and chucking it at someone is way more attention catching than using invisible force. Notice the only attacks you made that had any real effect on the guy were the more spectacular ones. Dream combat is more about the WOW factor than it is actual violence. (and by wow I mean impressive, not world of warcraft) She might have come from my anime archetypes, since guys like that always tend to have some kind of posse in animes. Just an idea. Always try to recognize where you personal dream inventory comes from if you're going to be looking into this. Not only is it important for identifying anomalous dream activity (which is pretty rare in my experience, I don't encounter stuff like that all the time) but also vital for developing dream control. That's my only beef with WakingNomad. But that said, the conversation did seem to imply a larger plan and perhaps an organized group. As much as I detest the idea of organized factions of dreamers, your dream does seem to suggest that. Actually it's just the polarized groups of good and evil dreamers that fight each other I hate. If you had insinuated that in any way, I wouldn't have paid your post any attention because forum threads unfold like dreams taking weird tangents, attention gets distracted and following new path like a sudden (or gradual) change in dream scenery. Plus that polarized Good/Evil version was the one thing people couldn't avoid getting their attention hooked on. A powerful dream combat weapon in the hands of skeptics. But taking Nomad as an example, grouping does seem to happen on it's own. Whoh. Now I'm off an a tangent of my own, but it's late and I'm half asleep. It definitely felt like he was there to teach me. Although, he didn't really do anything except defend after the initial attack that nearly booted me from the dream. First encounter, first lesson. He was demonstrating that everything requires your attention to exist. There is a reason I refer to that as the first rule of dreaming, and you seem to be on the same lesson plan I was. But if it is person, that still leaves the question: Why me? From you initial post and your reply, you seem very capable of understanding what's going on. Enough so to be able to discuss it. That in it's self is very rare. In my case, I don't think I was quite ready to understand and the only reason I met someone was because I was begging for it. Litterally. Took my a long time to catch on, and the only reason I think they kept at my is because I get pissed off easily and I was fun to fuck with. Like you, my instinct was to fight, and I tried every lucid trick I knew at the time. All night, over a span of several nights. Took me a long time to figure out it's not the strength of the attack, it's how you use it. What's so special about me that this guy goes out of his way to enter my dreams, spar with me, and then say some pretty cryptic stuff that could be taken a multitude of ways? Cryptic and multitude of ways is the very language of dreaming, namely archetypes. Like compressing somethign into a zip file, the data gets encrypted into archetypes, sent, and decoded according to the recipiants system specs. I'm not entirely sure you can trust what gets said in a dream to be an exact word for word translation from one person to another. Archetypes create ambiguety, it's almost like the physics demands that things can be taken in a multitude of ways. I can tell you for sure that both dreamers are NOT in the exact same dream. They are each in their own independent dreams, which are dictated by their own archetypes. Yeah, this is the weirdest one. Everything was fading pretty fast and I felt myself waking up. I thought for sure I was past the point of no return. So, I didn't bother to try to stay in the dream. Then, just as suddenly as my reflex kicked in, everything snapped back into focus, more vivid than before. If I wanted to stop someone from waking up, and I noticed it was happening, I would grab them by the shoulders and shake the shit out of them. In theory that should be the same as spinning (better actually). But that's just the way I'd do it. In dreams there are infinite ways to do any one thing. Could be he's got some super personalized method of doing of keeping you in the dream. Just to say I think I could do it quite easily if I wanted to.

[Conrahsarahteena]

I used to have these LD's where a woman I named Dreama pulled me into a series of what she called tests. There'd be one dream for each test, and you got 3 trys before you passed or failed. Each test was an elaborate senario where I had to master different powers to rescue other dreamers who had failed the test and gotten trapped in the dream as a concequense. She said a lot of cryptic stuff and taught me tons over the course of several years. The last things she taught me was how to walk in and out of other people's dreams, suck people into mine, and send dreams into people's minds. She also taught me how to protect myself from dreams created by other dreamers like her and like "Ice". She told me that there were lots of what occultist like myself call dreamwalkers, and that if you have the natural talent to dreamwalk and dream cast, then a guide will find you and train you. I was about 12 when this started for me, and it didn't really end until I was about 17. I'm pretty good at all this stuff now. My brother's girlfriend is going through something similar in her dreams. It started when she was about 15 and lately has gotten more hardcore and requiring mastering precog to pass the tests. She started training her mind for dream work when she was about 13, but the guide didn't appear until the last few years. She's 18 now. My advice is to trust Ice. Use you're wits and trust your gut. Learn how to resist the dream when you think it's coming from an outside sourse instead of your mind. A skilled enough dream caster can suck you in no matter what you do, the trick is figuring out how to leave the dream and eventually wake up.

[Mzzkc]

That's odd. Several of my recent dreams have presented me with impossible scenarios which I had to solve using some kind of control. The most recent one was last night where I had to come up with some way of getting my family over a large chasm with a seemingly immovable raised drawbridge on my side. I wasn't lucid at the time, but someone or something made it clear this was a test. Needless to say, I got through it. I did so by transforming myself into a giant boulder. And my family into birds or something. Both of those things I would have trouble doing lucid, though. Of course, that's only a fragment of the dream. I'm only mentioning this because I've never experienced these types of scenarios before. Usually there's always some "logical" way to solve a problem that doesn't involve control. I still don't have enough personal experience to draw a firm conclusion.

[Corello]

I didn't read all the posts on this thread, I'm kind of tired and running out of time. I mean, that was PECULIAR. (Seriously BLEACH as well, I liked it.) I wouldn't say it's a fellow dreamer unless it is a pretty much EXPERIENCED. I mean, someone who simply barged into your dream out of the blue, do you even know someone who could have done it? Since knowing someone is kind of necessary for shared dreaming. Also, to infiltrate in one's dream like that is seriously wow, I mean, you can use TK on Cruise ships, and it didn't work on that guy. Since on my point of view archetypal manifestations on your mind and spirit guides or whatever you may call them are pretty much the same thing, I'd say you have something like a teacher there. I met a pair of totally uncommon DCs once, it was totally different from any DC I had met and the dream got absurdly vivid when I met them. It was like something from my imagination, like story characters of mine. I never happened to see something like my creations on my dreams.

[The Cusp]

Several of my recent dreams have presented me with impossible scenarios which I had to solve using some kind of control. That describes 90% of my lucids.

[Mzzkc]

Scratch my last post. I remembered that the reason I thought it was a test was because I had read about and talked with several members whom had experienced dreams that they thought to be tests of some kind. The person I thought about during the dream was one member in particular. Still, this is the first time I'm noticing these situations, for whatever that's worth.

[Baron Samedi]

I used to have these LD's where a woman I named Dreama pulled me into a series of what she called tests. There'd be one dream for each test, and you got 3 trys before you passed or failed. Each test was an elaborate senario where I had to master different powers to rescue other dreamers who had failed the test and gotten trapped in the dream as a concequense. She said a lot of cryptic stuff and taught me tons over the course of several years. The last things she taught me was how to walk in and out of other people's dreams, suck people into mine, and send dreams into people's minds. She also taught me how to protect myself from dreams created by other dreamers like her and like "Ice". She told me that there were lots of what occultist like myself call dreamwalkers, and that if you have the natural talent to dreamwalk and dream cast, then a guide will find you and train you. I was about 12 when this started for me, and it didn't really end until I was about 17. I'm pretty good at all this stuff now. My brother's girlfriend is going through something similar in her dreams. It started when she was about 15 and lately has gotten more hardcore and requiring mastering precog to pass the tests. She started training her mind for dream work when she was about 13, but the guide didn't appear until the last few years. She's 18 now. My advice is to trust Ice. Use you're wits and trust your gut. Learn how to resist the dream when you think it's coming from an outside sourse instead of your mind. A skilled enough dream caster can suck you in no matter what you do, the trick is figuring out how to leave the dream and eventually wake up. This is fascinating. That's odd. Several of my recent dreams have presented me with impossible scenarios which I had to solve using some kind of control. The most recent one was last night where I had to come up with some way of getting my family over a large chasm with a seemingly immovable raised drawbridge on my side. I wasn't lucid at the time, but someone or something made it clear this was a test. Needless to say, I got through it. I did so by transforming myself into a giant boulder. And my family into birds or something. Both of those things I would have trouble doing lucid, though. Of course, that's only a fragment of the dream. I'm only mentioning this because I've never experienced these types of scenarios before. Usually there's always some "logical" way to solve a problem that doesn't involve control. I still don't have enough personal experience to draw a firm conclusion. that's really cool. I didn't read all the posts on this thread, I'm kind of tired and running out of time. I mean, that was PECULIAR. (Seriously BLEACH as well, I liked it.) I wouldn't say it's a fellow dreamer unless it is a pretty much EXPERIENCED. I mean, someone who simply barged into your dream out of the blue, do you even know someone who could have done it? Since knowing someone is kind of necessary for shared dreaming. Also, to infiltrate in one's dream like that is seriously wow, I mean, you can use TK on Cruise ships, and it didn't work on that guy. Since on my point of view archetypal manifestations on your mind and spirit guides or whatever you may call them are pretty much the same thing, I'd say you have something like a teacher there. I met a pair of totally uncommon DCs once, it was totally different from any DC I had met and the dream got absurdly vivid when I met them. It was like something from my imagination, like story characters of mine. I never happened to see something like my creations on my dreams. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...&postcount=154

[benTENDO]

Coming here you have already shown why you epic fiailled at teh lucid dream. You believed it was more than a dream. Also I think your bacon sucks.