Thread: Shared Dreaming/Making Other People Lucid/ Entering Dreams

But the other person has to be dreaming at the same time.

Nomad has written a tutorial on shared lucid dreaming in the BD section. this thread should be moved there. To enter someones dreams you must have their permission. you both agree to meet at a designated dream location ie, the moon, a beach, etc.

you must learn how to change dreams at will. then go to the location with your method of changing dreams. or you can focus on the feeling of that person and change dreams that way.

I lol'd at asking there permission.

Is there any documented evidence that this is even possible? I've read something very short about it in some article somewhere, but I haven't found much of a reason to believe in it's existence.

I don't necessarily believe it's impossible though. There have been reputable scientific experiments that seem to suggest that similar things are possible (though many of them seem to suggest that it's only probable that similar things do go on, like the Global Consciousness Project)

Originally Posted by Lucidness

I lol'd at asking there permission.

It's not a joke. Imagine (wether you believe it or not. just Imagine for a moment) that someone walked into your dreams and psyche and started mulling around the skeletons in your closet. That's an invasion of privacy.

meanwhile, before you're able to have a shared dream, it's fun to make regular dream characters lucid. when i do this they are normally very happy, enjoy the dream, and interact with you in a different way.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

It's not a joke. Imagine (wether you believe it or not. just Imagine for a moment) that someone walked into your dreams and psyche and started mulling around the skeletons in your closet. That's an invasion of privacy.

Tbh i never thought it was actually possible, not until i experience it myself i suppose. Can i try and have a lucid dream with you?

Originally Posted by Lucidness

Tbh i never thought it was actually possible, not until i experience it myself i suppose. Can i try and have a lucid dream with you?

my recall isn't that great lately. I have many things to focus on right now. maybe another time. There are lots of people here willing to try tho.

Iv'e experienced this. But i wasn't lucid. i was about nine and i had a friend to stay over, and i wokeup and i was like i just had the wierdest dream. and he was like yeah me to so i was like you go first and he told me, and i was in absalute shock. i was like and i was slightly pissed off at the fact he pritty much just described the dream that i had as he wouldnt no weather i would be lying or not when i burst out with "WE HAD THE SAME DREAM!!!" although i trust that he beleived me and we talked about it for ages. was quite amazing.

Originally Posted by Peel

Is there any documented evidence that this is even possible? I've read something very short about it in some article somewhere, but I haven't found much of a reason to believe in it's existence.

I don't necessarily believe it's impossible though. There have been reputable scientific experiments that seem to suggest that similar things are possible (though many of them seem to suggest that it's only probable that similar things do go on, like the Global Consciousness Project)

No. And I thought it was the authors of those experiments who suggested such stuff was possible, not their results themselves.

Further, if you were to demonstrate that shared dreaming is possible, you'd be entitled to some big cash prizes: List of prizes for evidence of the paranormal. Shouldn't be too hard to do, either... just communicating something in a dream should prove shared dreaming possible.

One of the two dreamers would be instructed to give the other a specific item (chosen from a long list at random before going to bed) in the dream and the other would be asked what that item was afterwards.
Ideally both people would use WILD at the same time so as not to spend too much time just attempting to get a shared dream.

Any chance anyone from this forum would be willing to try out my protocol?

Having been going through an acension type deal lately this is a very common occurance for me lately. Suffice to say that I exist in all possible universes simutaneously and what you read before you is only the result of one of my alter ego's sharing a collective dream of humanity on home planet.

A simple way to understand one possible way (of endless) to accomplish this, is to think back to my knowledge on quantum physic's.

I read a book called "The God Effect" which referred to when two particles shared a reaction they entered a state called Entanglement. The result is that regardless of how far apart they were taken from each other, they still had something in common. Creating a change in one would result in an equal and opposing change in the other. This is only on the quantum level; wereas we are macro level quanta with the sole (or soul) purpose of creating reality. This phenomenon of bi-location and is only true in the audience of the observer, otherwise we just call it imagination.

Imagine you have memorized the relative dimensions of the mayan temples or the cratered (now watery) surface of luna. Here you can imagine your residual self image (is that what they call it in the matrix?) upon any memorized matrix; google earth or your bedroom for example. Now we have stepped into the realm of astral projection, just let me make it clear that with true intention and clarity of perception; running into another spiritual identity will be inevitable.

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to the poster above, thats pretty interesting quantum mechanics

to the people who think it's impossible or improbable to enter someone elses dream, let me tell you a story

My mom, who doesn't meditate and never really has or been into this on her own, just through me and her old boyfriend, had an experience like this. She was dating said boyfriend and he had been raised with astral projection and all that kind of stuff from birth because his mom was a healer. She broke up with him for about 2 weeks and in that two weeks every night she dreamed he entered her room and kissed on the cheek and talked to her. He was still in love with her and about week after these dreams stopped happening he went to her and told her ever single conversation they had had in her dreams, and she never gave him permission or anything to enter her dreams.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

to the poster above, thats pretty interesting quantum mechanics

to the people who think it's impossible or improbable to enter someone elses dream, let me tell you a story

My mom, who doesn't meditate and never really has or been into this on her own, just through me and her old boyfriend, had an experience like this. She was dating said boyfriend and he had been raised with astral projection and all that kind of stuff from birth because his mom was a healer. She broke up with him for about 2 weeks and in that two weeks every night she dreamed he entered her room and kissed on the cheek and talked to her. He was still in love with her and about week after these dreams stopped happening he went to her and told her ever single conversation they had had in her dreams, and she never gave him permission or anything to enter her dreams.

well you don't NEED permission. It's just polite. and it helps set up intent quicker.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

to the people who think it's impossible or improbable to enter someone elses dream, let me tell you a story

And wherever someone believes that they can do paranormal stuff I simply must ask: What's wrong with this offer? http://skepticreport.com/sr/?p=319

(And a non-broken version of the link in my post above : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...the_paranormal )

See; you will not buy spiritual compliance, so regardless of what you offer, the skeptics, ready by nature to disregard all evidences. Listen; they supply the conditions, how is that truth?

I'll take them to my portal; chances are nothing good will come of it, anyone who want's to find me can, I have enough paranormal activity following me to satisfy anyones curiosity. Beware the truth may be more alarming than your beleifs. Honestly if you can't figure out were I am just message me and we'll meet up...

Originally Posted by neville

See; you will not buy spiritual compliance, so regardless of what you offer, the skeptics, ready by nature to disregard all evidences. Listen; they supply the conditions, how is that truth?

Well, if you make a specific claim which can be tested, then a proper test will reveal the truth. If you turned out to be right then the test would give us objective evidence of the existence of the paranormal, prove current science wrong and let us advance our knowledge of the nature of the universe.

Originally Posted by Point

One of the two dreamers would be instructed to give the other a specific item (chosen from a long list at random before going to bed) in the dream and the other would be asked what that item was afterwards.
Ideally both people would use WILD at the same time so as not to spend too much time just attempting to get a shared dream.

This is my experiment proposal in a nutshell. If you can succed in commmunicating things (like a word) to someone else through dreams (and there would be simple ways to insure/prove you didn't cheat), then this would prove the existence of shared dreaming.

If you can find a partner who would be willing to perform this here test with you, then we can set up and begin a basic verision of the experiment very quickly. Interested?

Irie; let's do this. you and me? should I focus on something that is original to you, or just wing it? What happen's between us in Dreamtime (what the Australian Aborigines referred to it as) will be the result of the study, If you wish to impose any variables just inform me.

Originally Posted by neville

Irie; let's do this.

OK!

First you'll need to find someone who can do shared dreaming with you (since I can't do shared dreaming). If you ask for volunteers on the Beyond Dreaming forum that shouldn't be a problem. If you get many volunteers then we can do the experiment with several pairs of dreamers simultaneously.

And here is the proposed experiment, an adapted version of Mr. Raymond Edward Powell's test for ESP:

Preparation:
-The two dreamers should agree on a specific time at night at which to meet in dreams (So they both induce a WILD at the same time. (Also be sure to take timezones into account.) )
-Before the actual experiment the two dreamers should meet in their dreams at least once to insure that they can do so. If for any reason the pair can not seem to meet, they could still try with different partners. We need at least one pair of people capable of meeting each other in their dreams in this manner to proceed with the experiment.
-We need a list of words to communicate. I would suggest:{apple,banana,book,dice,doll,stick,stone,s poon,flower,watch} If you feel it needs to be changed for any reason (if perhaps one of the items is hard to summon, if two items are too similar, or if you feel the list is too short), we can change it (We can do a custom list for every pair taking part in the experiment). I also suggest that one dreamer "gives" the item from the list to the other, though if they find it easier the pair can agree to communicate the word verbally instead.

Once we have a pair ready to go I will start a new thread in the Research forum.

Procedure:
-The first dreamer, called "the transmitter", will choose a random word from the list (random by virtue of dice rolls or a random number generator). He will write that word down and PM it to me.
-That night both dreamers will perform WILD at the agreed time and attempt to meet in a shared dream. The transmitter will attempt to communicate the word in the agreed manner to the second dreamer, the "receiver".
-After the dream the second dreamer will write down the word communicated to him. He will PM me the word. If the two dreamers failed to meet that night, or if the receiver is too unsure of the received word, he can PM me simply saying "no luck" instead of the word.
-The attempt is considered a SUCCESS if the two words match. The attempt is considered a FAILURE if the two words don't match. If the receiver reports "no luck" then that attempt doesn't count at all (which is not a failure) since there hasn't been a proper shared dream.
-I will update the experiment thread with the day's results: the pairs of words received from all pairs of dreamers and what the results mean statistically.
-Attempts will continue by the same pattern until we decide that we have sufficient data. I suggest five attempts should suffice.

Note that scientists would approve of the results of such an experiment with only minor modifications to the protocol which would prevent cheating:
1.) They would make sure that the word order hasn't been agreed on in advance: They would bring their own dice.
2.) They would make sure that the word isn't communicated to the receiver through any means other that dreams: You would have no access to the Internet or a cellphone during the attempts.
3.) The entire experiment would be video recorded.

I think that's all.
Now we should move all further discussion on this into a recruitment topic in Beyond Dreaming, or otherwise conduct it via PM.

Originally Posted by Point

OK!
(since I can't do shared dreaming).

How do you know that?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Originally Posted by Point

OK!
(since I can't do shared dreaming).

How do you know that?

I don't, actually. In the same vein that I can't know for sure that I can't fly by flapping my arms . (I mean in real life) You know, I might just need to like try really hard. For some reason I'm not going to, though. If there are people who claim they can do it let one of them show us.

On a related note, would you be interested in taking part in the experiment? Getting two volunteers is proving to be slightly challenging.

Originally Posted by Point

I don't, actually. In the same vein that I can't know for sure that I can't fly by flapping my arms . (I mean in real life) You know, I might just need to like try really hard. For some reason I'm not going to, though. If there are people who claim they can do it let one of them show us.

On a related note, would you be interested in taking part in the experiment? Getting two volunteers is proving to be slightly challenging.

On one hand you are saying shared dreaming is impossible, yet you want people to show you that it is.

How about do it yourself, instead of asking people to prove it to you?

Originally Posted by Sasuke

Iv'e experienced this. But i wasn't lucid. i was about nine and i had a friend to stay over, and i wokeup and i was like i just had the wierdest dream. and he was like yeah me to so i was like you go first and he told me, and i was in absalute shock. i was like and i was slightly pissed off at the fact he pritty much just described the dream that i had as he wouldnt no weather i would be lying or not when i burst out with "WE HAD THE SAME DREAM!!!" although i trust that he beleived me and we talked about it for ages. was quite amazing.

Wow.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

to the poster above, thats pretty interesting quantum mechanics

to the people who think it's impossible or improbable to enter someone elses dream, let me tell you a story

My mom, who doesn't meditate and never really has or been into this on her own, just through me and her old boyfriend, had an experience like this. She was dating said boyfriend and he had been raised with astral projection and all that kind of stuff from birth because his mom was a healer. She broke up with him for about 2 weeks and in that two weeks every night she dreamed he entered her room and kissed on the cheek and talked to her. He was still in love with her and about week after these dreams stopped happening he went to her and told her ever single conversation they had had in her dreams, and she never gave him permission or anything to enter her dreams.

Double wow.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Originally Posted by Point

I don't, actually. In the same vein that I can't know for sure that I can't fly by flapping my arms . (I mean in real life) You know, I might just need to like try really hard. For some reason I'm not going to, though. If there are people who claim they can do it let one of them show us.

On a related note, would you be interested in taking part in the experiment? Getting two volunteers is proving to be slightly challenging.

On one hand you are saying shared dreaming is impossible, yet you want people to show you that it is.

How about do it yourself, instead of asking people to prove it to you?

Is my post really that hard to understand? I'm not willing to flap my arms!

Look at this from my perspective:

Suppose someone said that it's possible to fly just by flapping your arms... and they like totally know someone else who can do it. If flight is achievable in that manner then THE easiest way to prove that is for them to demonstrate it under fair observational conditions. Why would anyone BUT the person who makes such a claim try doing it? And why oh why wouldn't these people do it? Who doesn't want two million dollars?

Let them show us and stop depriving scientists of the valuable new insights into the nature of the universe.

Originally Posted by Point

Is my post really that hard to understand? I'm not willing to flap my arms!

Look at this from my perspective:

Suppose someone said that it's possible to fly just by flapping your arms... and they like totally know someone else who can do it. If flight is achievable in that manner then THE easiest way to prove that is for them to demonstrate it under fair observational conditions. Why would anyone BUT the person who makes such a claim try doing it? And why oh why wouldn't these people do it? Who doesn't want two million dollars?

Let them show us and stop depriving scientists of the valuable new insights into the nature of the universe.

uhh...

Why oh why should someone need to prove it to you with all that effort for just a "maybe" only to you that it might work. They won't win no money from you, or really get anything from you. They basically will just put their time to try and prove it to you only. How many others will take your research seriously or to make any conclusions from it, or use it. The effort needed for "proper" test is immense. To go along for a "non proper" useless in the long run a forum based... I don't know. They have nothing to gain.
If you are lucky you might get some hearth loveable people that might try... But the needs for what they would need to have done beforehand...

Learning to dream share and also to remember conversations in dreams and even remembering basic dream recollection takes quite some time and effort for a person. There happens many things in a dream so you would need to remember the specific part about the object given. The efforts needed to even get there in the first place takes time. If you aren't relaxed and with easy into yourself whit any situation etc, any interferace, change can make things way much harder.
Throw in MONEY! and you'll get anyone who wants it to try and prove it. The real "masters" won't be interested in the money for shure unless they have a real emergency for which they might need it, the effort also needed from their part to prove it would be immense and the money either way long ways off. It isn't easy money in no way.
I would think all the effort and tests needed would take quite the toll on the participants, stress, lack of focus etc make huge dents in these capabilities unless you have really mastered the stuff.

Taking a look around... there aren't that many "masters" around either way. You would need to search far and wide in many places and in long times I would think.

I've myself only really gotten good in dream recall lately whit what went around and happened. Have hard time remembering conversations but simple ones, usually even hard to discern what a person actually said as you weren't focused. Can't read a simple word from a note or a few sentences even... then also try to remember what I managed to read? HAH! I can make a assumption of the few first words, but I know it won't be correct word for word at all. (and trying to reread? HAHAHAH! it for sure isn't the same text!)
The thought of trying to dream share? Sure in the future, but to verify that it actually works for myself? That is probably quite a while forward to where I can't see at the moment when it will be.

You are asking for a lot for nothing, from a tiny gathering of people non the less.