I've wondered this too. I would agree it's probably impossible. I certainly get tired of being aware. It's very draining. And plus there are times when you don't want to be aware, like if you're in pain. |
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Is complete sustained awareness just a myth? All of us, especially lucid dreamers, consciously highten our awareness during the day to increase our chances of becoming lucid at night. But usually, in my experience, such complete awareness only lasts for a couple minutes or so at max. Scientists also confirm this; the brain doesn't cope being aware all the time. It's just too much information for the conscious mind to handle over longer periods. Theoretically, it's certainly possible to be aware and mindful all the time, though let's face it, you aren't, unless you are a pro haxxor thai buddhist. No but seriously, who would even want to be mindful all the time? I sometimes have daydreams and thought processes going for a long time and in the end, it sometimes gets to a point where I reach a solution for something extraordinarily difficult. So losing yourself in thinking is good, I persist, although it certainly deters your mind from sensory input (that is, being mindful), and decreases your chances of DILDing... |
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Last edited by BohmaN; 02-25-2010 at 11:08 PM.
Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
I've wondered this too. I would agree it's probably impossible. I certainly get tired of being aware. It's very draining. And plus there are times when you don't want to be aware, like if you're in pain. |
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Lolwut.
I try to keep myself from thinking those of us who focus on LDing aren't "superiorly aware" than most of alert consciousness, but we are, at least to some extent. Frankly, it seems that the ability to realize we are rarely fully focused is a pretty rare skill. Good LDers take this to a different level, noticing not only their lack of focus during the day, but being capable of waking their subconscious while asleep. |
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I think it would be impossible to live a fun and balanced life while being constantly aware. Sometimes, being lost in something is a positive experience. The times I lose myself the most are when I am really into a painting, reading a great book, or deep in thought on a complex design problem. I think I would have to give these things up if I wanted to be constantly aware. |
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I was thinking about this again. Even though we are not fully aware all the time, I think that when you try to be you will always be on a slightly elevated level of awareness. Most of the time I'm somewhat aware, I have this sense of knowing what's around me and will think about it. It also will trigger full awareness more often. |
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Lolwut.
There's more awareness than you can conceive of in your natural state, which is effortless being. Trying to force it can only bring you so far. Just let things be as they are. The more your brain gets the hang letting things be the more awareness flows through. |
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A good source for inputs on "awareness" would be Eckhart Tolles book "The Power of Now". Although it doesn't mention Lucid dreaming in any way. Tolle speaks about being in the now - having a still mind. He and other believes this is the way to enlightenment and greater psychic abilities. |
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Don't know, I guess it's possible but highly improbable for most people to obtain. |
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When I read all this stuff about meditation it mentions hows yogis are taught to constantly be aware. I have to wonder about that. I'm curious if anyone can say that they know someone who can do that? |
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Lolwut.
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Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
Thats actually not what Tolle says... He wants us to get rid of all the negative mind chatter and use the brains analytic power whenever needed. He couldn't have written his books without it... |
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I see, so he doesn't not advocate full time awareness (since when you think, your automatically less aware of your enviroment and sensory input). Which balance does he suggest? I usually spend my time thinking a lot, positively and realistically, and I try to avoid negativity, and thinking helps me greatly. Actually you get nothing done when you're just aware, and I wouldn't say it's a profound spiritual experience to be in the Now, even though it certainly is a virtue to be able to focus fully whenever you want. But if it wasn't that it helped lucid dreaming a bunch I wouldn't practice it as much. |
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Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
I think you need to find a balance for yourself. There is a time for thinking and a time for stillness. When "in the Now" you see things clearer, some would also say that you are open for creative inputs - happiness comes easier. Happiness is a "divine" feeling, not a superficial egodriven feeling like almost every other feeling. |
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I've read The Power if Now and it got me insane for 1 month as I was trying to fully incorporate his theories into my life and then I realized it's too much of a wishful thinking... We live in an ego based world. First of all you need to make money. In order to do this for most people you need to you need to elbow your way through, or you'll be stuck at zero. You can't be a humble little man staring into space all day. You need to be compatible with the world also, so if you stick out too much, like tolle, you'd have a hard time getting a job. |
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Last edited by BohmaN; 03-05-2010 at 10:28 AM.
Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
I can see what you mean, but don't entirely agree with you ; ) I don't think you need to elbow your way through life... in fact I totally disagree with that. I know its what many, many people do. But does it make them better persons by doing that? No. Are they happy because they do that? I don't think so. Are there another way to do things? Definately! |
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Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
Great thread. |
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You can be mindful through just about anything: |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
Yes, 1495, to me this is a highly interesting topic. Not only for lucid dreaming but for all of our lives. |
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Last edited by BohmaN; 03-05-2010 at 08:25 PM.
Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
I see what you mean. I'm not really advocating Tolle here, if anything I suggest you read up on J Krishnamurti. Instead of trying to control the thinking, let everything happen as it is. Be aware of the thinking without condemning it as a good or bad thing. |
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There is little difference between mindfulness practice and seated meditation. If you go astray into racing thoughts or zoned-out vacuity, simply acknowledge that your mind has done what mind does and begin again. There's nothing to be gained by judging the thoughts or "struggling to ignore them." It may help to quietly name whatever activity arises: "planning," "worrying," "judging" or simply "thinking." If you can get your hands on Jack Kornfield's A Path with Heart, he devotes a whole chapter to "Naming the Demons." If your thoughts are bringing up feelings of anger or frustration, you may also want to practice some loving-kindness meditation, so that you can acknowledge them more gently. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
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Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
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Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
Heh, if it could be explained, no one would need to meditate, right? I'm really using the term "samadhi" even more broadly (and probably somewhat incorrectly) to denote any 'special effects' associated with meditation and mindfulness practice, be they visions, visualizations, realizations, strong physical sensations, perceptual shifts or any combination of the above. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
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