iFatal

Oh I do that too (it's awesome ) but most of the time I'm away with my thoughts. It's pretty bad actually. My brother once called my name several times right next to me and I didn't hear a thing.

It's good to hear that it gets easier because my head is hurting pretty bad You're doing well with it then it sounds

my summary for last night:

Finally got my mp3-player back (after 1 month ) and listened to a 1 hour isochronic sound file when I went to bed. I got lost in my thoughts (that's what the sound file was meant to do) and the 1 hour felt like just 5 minutes. After it was over I noticed that my body was extremely heavy and I think during the 1 hour I might have been in sp because I didn't move at all. When I tried to sleep it felt like my body was sinking through the bed because it was so heavy and I immediately got into sp. Well then it was the usual part.....I passed out because of my tiredness -.-
Gonna try another sound file (third eye meditation) tonight because on the last file I noticed that at the end my third eye spot vibratet like hell. Maybe I can turn this into a Wild.

Damn, wasn't able to fall asleep again because I took a long (too long ) nap before. Well I'm death tired today so I'm sure this won't happen tonight.
Btw I don't think that Refrain will get back to this group (he hasn't posted soooo long) so I think we should maybe get another member or what do you think ?

Hey guys I'm back. I have had 2 lucids in the past 2 weeks and they were both MILD/ DILD. The technique I'm using is just a modified MILD the thing is that you have to awake from a vivid dream for it to work best.

Congrats iFatal
I had a instantly collapsing ld last night (I got lucid because of my awareness technique and the dream immediately collapsed and I woke up) and I noticed something that is quite useful and explains my good recall.
Before I got to this group I trained myself waking up after each dream for deild for about 3 months. Then I stopped because I could wake up after a dream but couldn't go back for some reason. In the last few weeks I noticed that this somehow got automatically for me. I wake up after every dream even when I don't care about it. Tonight I woke up about 5 times after each dream and it's pretty helpful for my recall.
Also I won't be able to post here till sunday because I'm pretty busy at the moment.

Congrats guys, keep up the good work!

I've had a few lucids due to MILD the past few days. I'm still focusing on making my lucids totally clear so that I can really concentrate. They've been a hell of a lot better since january so that's good.

I think we should invite a new member too.

@ katsuno I think I know what you are talking about I made a thread awhile back on what I think you are doing.

@ raspberry I'll ask around 8D

Here is the thread I made awhile back. Tell me what you guys think.

Programming Awareness for Easy DILD's (Theory)

I have been thinking about DILD's and how you would induce them. I know that to DILD, you need to reality check in a dream but to do that, you need to be aware enough in that dream to reality check. But what if there was some way to program yourself to realize your dreaming every single time you have a vivid dream. (I say vivid dream because more likely to DILD in a vivid dream rather then a blurry fragment of a dream). I was thinking of ways to do this and here is what I thought.

If you were to train yourself to basically wake yourself up while your having a dream, I think you will be able to program awareness. I say this because it will take some awareness to be able to wake yourself up in a dream and I think if you were to do this enough over a period of time, you can program awareness. As you stat to do this over time, instead of waking yourself up in the middle of a dream, you will start to think, "Wait... I'm dreaming!" See what I mean? I think that if you can train yourself to wake yourself up while your having a dream, you can turn that, "Ok... time to wake up." into, "Wait... I'm dreaming! I don't want to wake up!"

Think about it. Just about every time I see someone who introduces him or herself in the newbie zone section of the forum who has had frequent lucid dreams there whole entire life are people who frequently have nightmares. I think this happens because when they have a nightmare, they end up waking themselves up. After a period of time of constantly waking themselves up, they don't just wake themselves up from the nightmare, they become lucid and realize they are dreaming.

So to sum it all up, my theory is that if you can train yourself to wake yourself up in the middle of a dream, over a period of time you will start to realize your dreaming instead of waking yourself up and have easy DILD's.

I don't know how easy it would be to wake yourself up in the middle of a dream but this is basically how I had my first LD. I started waking myself up in a dream randomly. It's kinda hard for me to remember this but that is basically what I did. In my first LD I said to myself, "Uhh I want to get out of this dream." And as I said that, I stopped and said, "Wait I'm dreaming!"

So would anyone like to try and test this out? I would myself but I'm currently trying to WILD.

Sorry if this is confusing for anyone. It's kinda hard to explain.

well, how are you going to purposfully going to wake yourself up? if you can program yourself to wake up, why not just skip that and program yourself for lucids in the first place. or if you wanted to induce dreams that result in waking up or lucid dreams, you could try to induce a nightmare, something a made a thread for before, but not in much detail since there are obviously better ways then scaring yourself shittless for a dream. i think that if you can make the decision to wake yourself up, you are already semi-lucid/lucid, but people who do not know about lucid dreaming think they can only wake themselves up, but we know to keep the dream going.

@ Siuol and Katsuno (Question)

I see what you mean how instead of just waking yourself you can just turn that into a lucid dream. It's just a theory I came up with one day. This is kind of hard to explain but when I tried this out I wasn't really aware enough to actually have a lucid dream and when I did wake myself up, I wasn't really even that aware in the dream. I was just aware enough to see everything going on. (Kind of like watching a movie). Does that make sense? I was just aware enough to just see what was going on around me to actually wake myself up like you would get in a nightmare but not aware enough to actually become lucid. I rarely get nightmares and the last one I could recall is about 5-7 years ago but when I read about other peoples nightmares on the forum, I see that they are very vivid because they woke up right after that nightmare. I also see that they seem to know whats going on around them like I said but they don't actually know that its a dream which is why nightmares can be so scary. This kind of the feeling I get when I woke myself up the only difference is that I kind of know i'm dreaming. I'm simi-lucid. When I would wake myself up I would also end up saying something like, "Uh... I want to get out of this dream." and then I woke up. So like I said I was simi-lucid. I was aware enough to know what was happening around me but not aware enough to actually become lucid.

Does this make sense?

Katsuno, my question for you is when you did wake yourself up, in the dream did you get the same kind of feeling I got? The feeling like your aware to see whats going on around you but not aware enough to actually become lucid.

I would really like to see if my theory is correct because when I did this, I got my first lucid and what Katusno said on how he gets good dream recall.

Alright I'm on my friend's computer right now (didn't think he would let me go to this site ) and here's my answer:

When I wake up from a dream it's like in the dream I slowly get more and more aware and then I notice that the dream comes to an end (without even being lucid). When this happens, well it's difficult to describe but even when I'm not lucid I think like "I'm waking up now". But when I woke up from a dream it takes me about 10 minutes to actually realize that I'm awake :O
Anyway, I would say, your theorie might very well be right.
For the nightmares, I had many and will probably have much more but I never got lucid in one.

iFatal, that happens to me aswell, it's how I wake up.

But I think that instead of waking yourself up, you should just MILD to get a lucid. You don't want to be waking up every time you go to sleep. I don't think it would be healthy actually.

Guys, in my dreams i've started to.... I dunno. They've started blurring together and going past really rapidly, like someone's sped everything up. This has made me wake up, or think I'm waking up. I'm not sure if I am or not (it could be false), but I DEILD straight after. Then I quickly lose lucidity and the same thing happens again. If I manage to stick in the dream I might be onto a good thing here Though I don't know how i'd control it.

i think im falling into another dryspell, but im going to fight it like hell. i think my problem is im thinking of to many methods when i need to set my focus. at night im thinking ill wake up in the night and try fild, or maybe dild, oh wait ill try out mild or wild or vild, its making it so i dont know what my goal is and its hurting me. on top of this im not hearing my auto snooze alarm go off, so i either need to keep playing with it or stop wasting my time and work on better autosuggestion. right now i think im going to go for mild, and start up my dj and hope for my dild training to kick in.

Wasn't able to get much sleep on the weekend and I know I won't have much on the next so I just have to count on my awareness to get lds.
Siuol I know your problem, I had it a while ago. It really sucks if you want to try every technique and because of that you can't even get one to work. I solved the problem with making a plan like on Monday try Deild, on Tuesday Wild and so on.
Anyway, I think I'm going to focus more on Wild again because I do nothing before falling asleep lately (no mild or similar, too)

I also have that problem :-/ But I'm gonna stick to Mild for the moment.

I had a dream about this group last night Though I don't remember much of it. I don't know what we were talking about but we were having quite a bit of success

Daaaaaamn somethings wrong with me . My mood is bad all the time, I'm feeling sick and it feels like I'm in a different body. That might be due to my spring hayfever (it's over soon I hope <.<) and I have no motivation for wilding or anything when going to bed because my nose is always blocked and I have a headache. Have you ever experienced this or know what I should do? I really don't want to stay in this state because it also makes me have a dryspell -.-

I haven't really experienced that but I have experienced the feeling of not wanting the attempt a WILD. Thats why i'm just sticking to MILD right now.

That sounds pretty bad I don't know what it is though. I agree with iFatal and think you should stick to MILD. It takes less time and you can just stay asleep that way without having to disrupt yourself by waking up etc.

I had anothing lucid last night. The dream got really clear until I could kind of track where my thoughts were going. I didn't really realise it was a dream, it was more of a "this is a dream, duh, I can feel that." And then continued on.

hmm maybe you're right but the hayfever even stops me from doing mild -.-
I can't focus on my mantra because I can't breath normal due to my completely blocked nose and my eyes itch all the time. Last night was even worse: I woke up in the night (after I fell asleep due to exhaustion) because of my hayfever and noticed that I couldn't breath at all (my throat was also swollen) so I ran to my asthma inhaler as fast as I could before I would have suffocated O.o
Then I had to take an anti-allergical medicine and nose spray and so on but it all didn't work. My whole body was itching and I was awake for the rest of the night....
I hope this won't go on for long anymore because it is really bad and it also affects my mood.

Although I had a bad asthma attack last night I managed to have a long and unusual vivid ld (when I'm ill my dreams are more vivid :O) so I guess it was worth the torture

I hope you get better soon, this sounds pretty bad Maybe go see a doctor?

I'm going to try the Everyman sleep schedual. Not sure if it'll work for me but I'm going to try. This will also give me more oppurtunities for MILD and WILD if it works