Galantamine + Choline

[ZenVortex]

I just started exploring Galantamine-based supplements and had a nice DILD with 4 mg Galantamine + 50 mg Phenylalanine + 3.5 mg Nicotine (1/2 of a 7 mg patch). So far haven't been able to WILD but am working on it. Galantamine will be absorbed faster if already dissolved in water. I haven't tried it yet, probably tastes nasty but sugar will help. Phenylalanine is worth investigating because it is metabolized into acetylcholine AND dopamine. I've always had good dreams from Phenylalanine. Definitely a plus factor. BTW. What I'm doing now is grinding up tablets (such as phenylalanine and choline bitartrate) and putting the powder into capsules for faster absorption.

[Patjunfa]

L thamine and Melatonin are to help one get to sleep right? I don't know much about these except what I've read on this thread, so correct me if I'm wrong please. They'r differerent to 5htp which people can take at the beginning of the night, suppressing rem sleep to have a good quality of nrem sleep and benift from the rem rebound effect. My problem when I take galantamine\chloine that in the hour or 2 before I'd have to get up (bout 7.30) I am kept awake by any noise my daughter or wife make in the room. I get to sleep after taking it but after become too wakeful. I'm considering lthamine or something to help with this Thanks

[dodobird]

L thamine and Melatonin are to help one get to sleep right? I don't know much about these except what I've read on this thread, so correct me if I'm wrong please. They'r differerent to 5htp which people can take at the beginning of the night, suppressing rem sleep to have a good quality of nrem sleep and benift from the rem rebound effect. My problem when I take galantamine\chloine that in the hour or 2 before I'd have to get up (bout 7.30) I am kept awake by any noise my daughter or wife make in the room. I get to sleep after taking it but after become too wakeful. I'm considering lthamine or something to help with this Thanks Yes, L-Theanine works quite well. But in any case you can also consider taking the supplements earlier at night. In my experience if I'm taking them just 2 hours before I have to wake up, I am not tired enough to fall back asleep. It's better to take them 4-4:30 hours after going to sleep, or (4-3 hours before you wake up, depending on how much you sleep ).

[Patjunfa]

Thanks I reckon that's a good idea. I'm wondering if I am going to get some l thamine is there any point in also using 5htp? Do many people here use something like this to get quality sleep by getting focused nrem sleep in the 1st part of the night and rem rebound effect later?

[dodobird]

Thanks I reckon that's a good idea. I'm wondering if I am going to get some l thamine is there any point in also using 5htp? Do many people here use something like this to get quality sleep by getting focused nrem sleep in the 1st part of the night and rem rebound effect later? I would stick with just the G+CH+L-TH at first, because they are quite effective. At some point if you want to have LD's more often ( more than about twice a week ) then you can try experimenting with more supplements. I had some short LD's with the supplements that you take at bedtime, such as 5-HTP and B6, but I did not experiment much with it.

[Patjunfa]

cool thanks for that. Will do P

[Nihao]

Well, Recently I tried a couple of times 200g 5-HTP straight before bed with these (G+Ch+LTh+Melatonin) after 4.5h of sleep with v.good result (as for me) Still had problems with vision and control but comparing to previous attempts 5-HTP gave a bit more overall quality ( it is suppose to extend REM periods later as a rebound effect )

[Ulises]

Last night I tried taking valerian + hop and galantamine + choline. It was a success, I wasn't as nervous as taking just galantamine + choline, I was feeling relaxed and I fell asleep soon. I had a very agreeable lucid experience. I will try again in a few days. Greetings.

[nina]

Nice, thanks for sharing. What is hop?

[TheLight]

Nice, thanks for sharing. What is hop? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humulus

[Darkmatters]

Hey all, latecomer to the thread, but it's converted me. I've got Lucid Dreamer and Piracetam, and I bought B-5 separately, but it turns out the capsules are 500 mgs. I notice in Galantamind it's only got 100 mg of B-5. Would 500 be too much? Should I open up a capsule and divide the powder into 5 parts?

[beachgirl]

thanks for the posts, everyone i only tried it once and it gave me a migraine after all it is a vasodilator but maybe that was just a coincidence anyone else have this problem?

[Darkmatters]

I went ahead and took the combo last night - Lucid Dreamer Galantamine (4mg) + Choline (200mg) and one of the massive horse pills of B-5 (500mg). No headache at all... well, maybe very very slightly, but nothing that bothered me at all. Only other side effect was a slight slight upset stomach... hardly even noticed it though. I'd say the side effects were so slight I was hardly aware of them. Also, my brain feels fucking INCREDIBLE!!!!! It feels slightly... pressurized, but in a good way. Like it's being massaged. As someone said earlier in here, I have a strong sense of wellbeing. Didn't get a lucid dream, but I did have several short but very vivid dreams that felt powerful, more real than usual I'd say. But there are a couple of factors that could have prevented lucidity: 1 - I decided to start the daily regimen of Piracetam as a cognitive/ memory aid, and for the 1st 2 days you're supposed to mega-dose, so I took 8000mg (10 capsules) divided into 3 doses, meaning the last dose was only a few hours before bedtime. Probably pretty well counter-acted any lucidity I could have got. 2 - Only got 2.5 hours of good deep n-REM sleep before trying a WBTB. I was confused when I woke up and thought it had been 3.5, but upon waking up in the morning I realized it had only been 2.5. 3 - only got 4 more hours of sleep AFTER the WBTB. So, a total of only 6.5 hours sleep (had to work today). Any of these factors could have prevented lucidity. Interestingly, when I took the Lucid Dreamer and B-5 I was pretty excited and afraid I wouldn't be able to get back to sleep... but I was also very tired (seeing as I had only got 2.5 hrs sleep). I laid awake for a while trying to WILD, then found myself dreaming about trying to fall asleep, as somebody mentioned earlier. I woke several times after the WBTB, each time from a short intense dream. The last dream was longer, but then it was time to get up and go to work. I have a feeling if I had gone back to sleep I would have had increasingly longer dreams, and possibly a lucid or 2. I'm debating if I should try it again tonight (I'm off work tomorrow). I'm excited about it, I WANT to do it, but today is the last megadose day for the Piracetam. Though I got an earlier start on it today and can finish it many hours before bedtime. Heh... I'll probably go ahead and try it, and then have to wait like a week before doing it again.

[Darkmatters]

Report on last night's attempt: This time I got 4.5 hrs sleep before my WBTB, and it was a day off, so I could sleep in afterward. Still didn't get a lucid. I'm thinking it's because of all the Piracetam I've been taking. The megadose days are over now though, and I work for the next 2 days. I"m going to try this... On tues I won't take any Piracetam, and then I'll try the Lucid Dreamer again tues night without any in my system. I'll also open a capsule of B-5 and only take about a 5th of the contents, which should be about 100mg. I really want this to work!

[Darkmatters]

Yes!!! Had 2 lucids last night!! In a while I'll bring my bedside journal downstairs and copy them into my online DJ and link it here. Here's what I did differently from the last 2 times: I didn't take any Piracetam at all yesterday. I also doubled the dose of the Lucid Dreamer... So 8mg of Galantamine. Went ahead and just took a whole 500mg capsule of B-5 though... I hadn't divided it up before going to sleep and felt too disoriented and sleepy to attempt it during my brief WBTB. Weird things I noticed... I was basically blind in both dreams. Pitch black, though in one I could see a wasp flying toward me. I suspect I was getting signals from my sleeping body, because at the end of the 1st dream I decided my eyes must be closed and I was afraid if I opened them I'd wake up. Went into an FA instead. I was dressed funny in both dreams... a robe, socks and mittens. I think I was feeling the covers and dreamed up this funky getup to explain why I felt cloth all over my body. I knew I was dreaming almost immediately, but decided to try some RCs (which I've never done in a dream before). 1st I tried putting my finger through my palm, but couldn't tell if it was working because I couldn't see - though it did feel pretty weird. So I did a nose pinch and could breathe perfectly well. It felt so cool... I started laughing with the joy of knowing I was dreaming. I then walked to my window and tried to press through the glass. Another thing I've never been able to do before. I was curious about how it would feel. I pressed both hands against the glass and slowly it started to bend, felt like stretched clingwrap. Then my hands and my head just went right through to the outside... I could suddenly hear wind and birds. But I was confused about my legs... it just was awkward because I wasn't sure if I'd be able to fly so I didn't know how to get my legs through without falling. Weird because any time I try to fly in dreams by dropping from a roof I can always fly. I think I was more worried because I couldn't see... how was I going to manage flying while blind? Anyway, I'll put the rest of the details in the DJ later on and put a link here. Link

[Jules2007]

Darkmatters-I'm almost always blind in part of my dreams when taking Galantamine too, I guess this is pretty common? Does anyone know what can be done about this? I had this happen this morning and I tried to make it light or go somewhere else but I couldn't. I kept either waking up or having a FA after a couple of minutes (don't know which one) about 3 times and the same thing kept happening over and over. I think I just gave up in the end. Galantamine would be great for me if it wasn't for this light problem! I've only noticed it when taking 2 capsules though, one doesn't always give me a lucid, but when I do get one it's usually better.

[Aluna]

Has any one been able to find a source of the 9 mg 8% Yohimbine solid tablets that T.Yuschak talks about in his book please? Thanks!

[beachgirl]

@ZenVortex: do you ever just take phenylalamine in the WBTB time?

[dallyup52]

You are in a different state of consciousness then you are used to, is all. You are not really blind, you are just not processing the energy encountered into images that the "mind" processes with recent memory. Either shift your state of consciousness (many techniques for that and it is quite individual) or allow your consciousness to expand and "see" in a different way. The Lucid/OBE state is very powerful and the threshold of many very exciting worlds. Sam Darkmatters-I'm almost always blind in part of my dreams when taking Galantamine too, I guess this is pretty common? Does anyone know what can be done about this? I had this happen this morning and I tried to make it light or go somewhere else but I couldn't. I kept either waking up or having a FA after a couple of minutes (don't know which one) about 3 times and the same thing kept happening over and over. I think I just gave up in the end. Galantamine would be great for me if it wasn't for this light problem! I've only noticed it when taking 2 capsules though, one doesn't always give me a lucid, but when I do get one it's usually better.

[byungsukimmishi]

Has anyone ever tried a Phenibut, Melatonin and B6 combo? I bet that would work wonders.

[SData]

Hi, I would like to buy this Galantamine + Choline mixture a.k.a Lucid Dreamer from dreamamins.com but it is not shipping to my country, Turkey. Is there anyone who can buy it from there and then ship it to me when he/she recieves it? I can make the payment to you via PayPal. Quote me or PM me to answer and we can talk about the details.

[mrdave]

Do any of you think it's ok to take choline without galantamine? Do you need days off choline just like galantamine? thanks

[ethan_hines]

Darkmatters-I'm almost always blind in part of my dreams when taking Galantamine too, I guess this is pretty common? Does anyone know what can be done about this?. Try yelling "Clarity Now!"

[Specialis Sapientia]

Hi, I would like to buy this Galantamine + Choline mixture a.k.a Lucid Dreamer from dreamamins.com but it is not shipping to my country, Turkey. Is there anyone who can buy it from there and then ship it to me when he/she recieves it? I can make the payment to you via PayPal. Quote me or PM me to answer and we can talk about the details. They can ship it to you. Just e-mail them and say you live in Turkey, but Turkey isn't on the list of countries to choose from. That's what I did, and it worked. They will just create the "Turkey" option on the droplist.

[tommo]

Hey all, latecomer to the thread, but it's converted me. I've got Lucid Dreamer and Piracetam, and I bought B-5 separately, but it turns out the capsules are 500 mgs. I notice in Galantamind it's only got 100 mg of B-5. Would 500 be too much? Should I open up a capsule and divide the powder into 5 parts? How the hell did you get Piracetam?