I think you have a good theory. That, I think, would allow for free will and God's omnipotence to coexist, provided that God's predictive capacity only extends so far into the future, much like human predictions. |
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I believe that because god is infinitly vast and powerfull that he see the infinite possibilitys of our life. He knows at certian points what path our life will take if we keep doing things they way we do them now. Every new situation or person we meet has the potential to change the future so god would know exactly where our life was going depending on weather or not we continued along the path we were on. He would know for instance that I was going to get married and move to arizona if I met no one new or tried know new experinces that majorly impacted my life but the second I did my future would change and god would know what my life would be like in that new future so every action we took would determined what future we would have unless somthing Big impacted it. He would go: based on his current choices he will do this, that, and the other thing but the second we did somthing new he would be like OH now he is going to do the other thing, this, and that. I know some of you are going to scream about how flawed my logic is and that is ok. I love all the diffrent opinions and the knowledge you provide me with I love you all for helping me to improve my theorys and thoughts. You Atheists are great people because your probing questions help me to patch the holes in my theorys and strenghten my beliefs. |
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Infinitly greater than you are... Damn that missing E.
I think you have a good theory. That, I think, would allow for free will and God's omnipotence to coexist, provided that God's predictive capacity only extends so far into the future, much like human predictions. |
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According to NDEs the future is always changing, when God reveals the future he is only revealing what would happen if people don't make a choice other than what they would have. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I don't believe in free will. I believe that such a thing would involve uncaused events. Everything is bound to happen a certain way, based on the laws of physics. The future has already been set in motion. If it were not bound to happen the way it does end up happening, it would mean that randomness, which is a principle of lack of causation, would be a factor. If randomness were possible, ceilings would rain fish and subway trains would come out of trees without cause. Things would disappear and appear with no rhyme or reason. Randomness cannot exist in an ordered universe. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
There is a respected theory that things do appear and disapear without rhyme or reason; it is called quantum foam. Also, how do you know that suffering is not beneficial? Are there not things that we would be incapable of learning without suffering? |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Even all powerful gods have their limits. Let's not be too hard on god, he's trying so hard! =3 |
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If events were random, there would be no limits to the spontaneity of uncaused events. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
why does the possibility of randomness dictate that everything must be completely unpredictable? |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Because things can happen without cause if there is randomness. So what stops things from spontaneously happening without cause if cause is not a requirement? Nothing. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
What you are talking about is a high probability of randomness. The possibility of it does not mean that it is probable Also, how exactly is free will completely random? Willfulness denotes intention. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
If events can happen without cause, then probability is not an issue in regard to uncaused events. They do not happen with rhyme or reason, so probability does not apply. Lack of a cause requirement takes away limitations on spontaneity. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
If God knew all, then by definition he would know all your future choices. Your theory is that God does not know all - he does not know what you will decide. If an omnipotent God existed, free will couldn't exist. |
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I belive that God knows the outcome, and we decide how we are going to get there, either the hard way or the easy way. Have you ever met someone who is constantly in turmoil and just resists everything making life really hard and difficult. I used to be that person. I did not trust God's outcome thinking my way was better. But all that brought was pain and suffering. Now I go with the natural "stream of life" and bad and good things are not as disaterous. I think the free will is what route we take to his will. Generouly called life lessons. Just my opinion! |
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In the present moment, I dont see God as a seperat distinct individual, but rather an Essence that is the base of all that is, to the point where really there is nothing but God /this Essence. One can apply the multitude of labels to this One Essence, ie God, Allah, Rama, etc etc, but the essence itself remains the same through all. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
You don't know much about probability do you? It is the causual occurances that effect the probability of randomness. The more structured a system, the less probable randomness is. This doesn't mean that a structured system makes randomness impossible. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
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